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Are you a Republican weirdo in favor of book bans and anti-LGBTQ legislation? ~

How do these things contribute to “making America great again,” and for whom?
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calicuz · 56-60, M
I'm actually a moderate Independent, who doesn't believe in banning books, but what legislation does the LGBTQ community need that they don't already have under the Constitution of the United States?

And I'm not being facetious.
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samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@calicuz the constitution is very vague on the road guys of many, not just LGBTQE. Women's rights are not ingrained in the constitution. The amendment never passed. It wouldn't take much to strip that away. All they want is reassurance that they cannot be discriminated because of their orientation.
RedBaron · M
@calicuz Under Project 2025, the plan is to challenge and overturn certain constitutional rights.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@RedBaron too many.
calicuz · 56-60, M
@samueltyler2 @RedBaron

I obviously do not support the Extreme Right Wing's Project 2025. In regards to women's rights, The Constitution is clear in the words "We the People." As far as LGTBQ Legislation, everything pretty much falls under: "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

No one can "legislate" that any individual or group of individuals be accepted, it is, however, in our rights to expect the our Government to protect us, although protection from words is a far more a difficult task.

I fully understand your plight, and you have my support.

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@calicuz those words didn't protect the blacks, they were not granted those rights. Ask the Chinese, Irish or Italian immigrants if they ha those rights?
calicuz · 56-60, M
@samueltyler2

I fully agree with you, but this is the 21st century and we have come a very long way in just 60 years since the signing of the Civil Rights act of 1965.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@calicuz but look how far back we have regressed in the past year!
calicuz · 56-60, M
@samueltyler2

I'll need examples.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@calicuz are you serious? the Dobbs decision, the Chevron, or don't you consider the right for a woman to make decisions regarding her health, the right to breath clean air and drink clean water...
calicuz · 56-60, M
@samueltyler2

I believe in all of those. Except for abortion, I don't see us regressing, and I believe Kamala is the one to move the country forward.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@calicuz have you ever been in an ER when a pregnant woman comes in with severe vaginal bleeding. You know she is aborting , aka miscarriaging, and needs a d and c, but you aren't going to be allowed to?
easterniowegin · 51-55, M
@samueltyler2 you're gaslighting. There is a big difference between intentionally ending a healthy pregnancy and managing a non-viable pregnancy.
There is also a difference between an ectopic pregnancy and a healthy but unwanted pregnancy. Only one is "healthcare."
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@easterniowegin you are using an expression that doesn't at all match my comment. You seem to be ignoring the situation my colleagues in some states are now facing. They are seeing women in their ERs who are having vaginal bleeding. There is no way to really tell if the fetus is malformed, they can only tell that there is bleeding. The clinical decision then is whether to do a D and C. That should be a medical decision, not placing the physician into a position in which whether they might be arrested if they decide, after careful discussion with the pregnant woman, to do the D and C.
easterniowegin · 51-55, M
@samueltyler2 it's gaslighting. If a physician doesn't know how to treat a condition, they are risking malpractice. New regulations and practices are put in place all the time. There are ZERO reputable doctors who don't know the impact of a regulation to their medicine. Zero.
And there are currently zero states that prohibit the saving of a woman's life in an emergency situation.
The difference is that ripping a healthy fetus out of the womb is NEVER a medically necessary procedure. . . .unless you simply want to end the existence of the unborn.

Premature birth can occur, then attempt to save the two separate lives, if necessary.
There is no gray area...only politically muddied waters.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@easterniowegin Are you a physician? If not, don't you dare think you can ever imagine what a physician has to consider. Have you not listened to women discussing how they were told they were not sick enough to have a D and C? Or do you believe they are lying.
easterniowegin · 51-55, M
@samueltyler2 i know it's drama...it gins up fear, bc thats how one party votes (with their emotions, not logic).
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@easterniowegin you are in total denial! I am presenting the situation that my colleagues face and you think it is not a problem. I hope none of your female friends or relatives have to discover that I am not telling a take.
easterniowegin · 51-55, M
@samueltyler2 I'm saying if a physician practices medicine w/o understanding how a law impacts their medicine, they should lose their license.
Conferring with a medical peer is one thing, being afraid to do a procedure because of a lack of regulation understanding is malpractice.
It is drama. Made up for headlines. Because if a physician was really that derelict, they would be put on blast and removed.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@easterniowegin you have no idea what you are talking about! It isn't lack of regulation, it is fear of reprisal for doing an appropriate procedure. It is worrying about how some non-physician might question your medical decision. It isn't made up! You are the one making things up.

Get a degree in medicine and put yourself on the front line before you say it is drama.
easterniowegin · 51-55, M
@samueltyler2
Do you see your own tactics here?
- Tell me I'm wrong, unknowing, or lacking because of credentials/experience.
- Double down on the drama. Your friends. Your relatives. The seriousness of the situation. Ooh, scary stuff to consider.
- Turn the emotions back against me. Make me the bad guy for not reacting to the drama.

It's textbook gaslighting.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@easterniowegin if I were not a gentleman I would tell you what I think of you. For now, i will simply say that you are WEIRD. Get out of my life, don't tell me how you practice medicine!
easterniowegin · 51-55, M
@samueltyler2 lmao. The last tactic is personal attacks, the call of 'no joy,' and leaving permanently or waiting for reenforcements.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@easterniowegin you have been the one attacking me. You started this argument. I gave you every opportunity to agree that a physician is the appropriate one to make a decision about medical care without fear of prosecution. You have no right to tell me how to practice of meditation. You are using classic right wing arguments.
easterniowegin · 51-55, M
@samueltyler2 where did i attack you? What did i say about you?
I said you were gaslighting...that was true. I didn't say anything about you personally...just called out your tactic.