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I prophecy something that no mere mortal could prophecy without divine knowledge

The UK Labour Party will back peddle on their promises.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Starmer has backpedaled on every single promise to labour members since he became party leader.

It's a second Tory party and a party for the rich.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 Hmm, with neoliberal I mean in favour of privatizations, budget cuts, "small government" policies. More or less like the "libertarians", except with the key difference they don't believe the free market would magically regulate itself. Thatcher's politics, perhaps?

The PD doesn't have a clear/strong economic stance: you have both capitalists and anti-capitalists in it, and they try not to upset either. The five stars are actively trying to prey their anticapitalist voters (if they lean more towards a pro-capitalist stance like they did with Renzi), whereas at the same time Forza Italia is trying hard to position itself as a "centrist" party in order to capture their pro-capitalist ones if the party line moves too further left. To compensate, the party focuses on socially progressive policies (especially on LGBT issues) and remain mostly quiet about economics.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Elessar
Hmm, with neoliberal I mean in favour of privatizations, budget cuts, "small government" policies. More or less like the "libertarians", except with the key difference they don't believe the free market would magically regulate itself. Thatcher's politics, perhaps?

Oh definitely. Neoliberalism because a big movement in the 70s and 80s and was inspired by Hayek and Milton Freidman. It was based on Classical Liberalism of the 19th century (like libertarianism) and included all of the things that you mentioned. Its different from classical liberalism in that neoliberals are prperared to use the state to crush opposition to free markets.

In Britain, it went further than anywhere (Amercia had less distance to fall) and Thatcher ended what was a social democratic consensus and we've been living in her shadow since.

In the rest of Europe, neoliberalism has come in gradually and by stealth. The same principles apply and a lot has come in through the EU. Though that is a softer version of neoliberalism than the anglo-american one.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 It's a bit like with Brexit, you're the frontline when it comes to this sort of radical changes, and people here in the continent get the time to watch and say "hmm, now that I see how it actually is, maybe it's better we don't get that". Notice how all those "Italexit", "Frexit", "Dexit", "Grexit" movements disappeared post-2015 too.

I'm not sure the Americans had a smaller hit: sure they had less "margin", but Reaganism in their case has been transformative over there too.

Over here pure neoliberal ideology is unpopular all over the spectrum, no one wants to reduce the spending budget, at most different parties want to prioritize different uses of public money. Privatization and tax cuts are popular in rightwing circles, but definitely not cutting the expenditure or downsizing the government. In fact, the closest thing we had to a textbook neoliberal was a technocrat, who immediately after his term was turned into a scapegoat with the assent of every "regular" party, of every orientation.
Well I for one sincerely hope that they will backpedal on their “promise” not to rejoin the single market and customs union.
They already did... They didn't calm the chaos or we wouldn't have rioting.
looking4snoopysgirl · 56-60, M
..... but only if there is a 'y' in the day .... x
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
let us hope not.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M

 
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