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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
I disagree. He has given a clear indication that he is broadly supportive of removing the cap, but that it is unaffordable at the current time. I'm not sure what the 'rebels' hoped to achieve.
I would have made it a priority on moral and humanitarian grounds, but then I'm not a politician who has to weigh up options and compromise. He has at least been consistent.
I would have made it a priority on moral and humanitarian grounds, but then I'm not a politician who has to weigh up options and compromise. He has at least been consistent.
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Justme264 · 70-79, M
@SunshineGirl Absolutely!
Royrogers · 61-69, M
@SunshineGirl very worthy. How do you ensure the extra money is spent on the children and not down the pub ?
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Royrogers You assume good intentions, which is the starting point of any public service. You might also refer to statistics which show that poorer families drink less than middle class ones, and instinct that an economically struggling family is unlikely to waste scarce resources on drink.
Richard65 · M
Ashworth was on TV the other day, denigrating "lefties" in the Party who opposed the child cap. He laughed as he vilified them. And perhaps he still wonders why he lost his seat.
I think that you misunderstood what happened here.
Starmer Whipped Labour to vote against scrapping the benefit cap - and these 7 MP's decided to do the opposite of what they were told to vote FOR the benefit cap to be scrapped.
Starmer doesn't want to drop the cap until he's brow beaten a load of disabled people to work - or death... whichever comes first. That way he doesn't have to fork out as much cash as he does now.
He needs that cash to send to Ukraine and the military.
Starmer Whipped Labour to vote against scrapping the benefit cap - and these 7 MP's decided to do the opposite of what they were told to vote FOR the benefit cap to be scrapped.
Starmer doesn't want to drop the cap until he's brow beaten a load of disabled people to work - or death... whichever comes first. That way he doesn't have to fork out as much cash as he does now.
He needs that cash to send to Ukraine and the military.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@HootyTheNightOwl I understand stand perfectly well thank you.
The SNP motion was to end a benefit cap imposed by the Cameron Osborne government. Nothing I said indicated lacking this knowledge
I'm reading you last paragraph but struggling to comprehend how you realise this and are not angry. If a Conservative Party Prime Minister acted like this ...
The SNP motion was to end a benefit cap imposed by the Cameron Osborne government. Nothing I said indicated lacking this knowledge
I'm reading you last paragraph but struggling to comprehend how you realise this and are not angry. If a Conservative Party Prime Minister acted like this ...
@Burnley123 Actually, your title was what made me comment to try and explain more clearly because it sounded like the six suspended had refused to lift the cap and I wanted it to be clear to you and everyone else what was actually happening on the ground.
I have no time to be angry about that when I'm fearful that they're literally going to kill me, just like the Tories before them tried to do.
Disabled people might want to work, but you have to look at it practically - how many of them can work???
I remember asking several times under the Tories for tailor made answers about reasonable adjustments that I can ask for at work - this is back in 2016ish... guess what??? I'm still no closer to an answer now than I was then.
I still have the undiagnosed medical condition that I have to live with and declare to my prospective employer - but no practical advice that I can give to them on how to help me.
At the end of the day, they want you looking over there at the two child benefit cap while they're over here, killing your sick and disabled by making them work until they have medical episodes on the job.
It's me today, but it's only a matter of time before it's you or someone that you love facing the fact that you're going to be in a position just like this. You're going to be looking for work that you know that you physically can't do because you faint/collapse and they want you cleaning or working for Amazon. You're going to be scared of having a medical episode and fainting/collapsing 24ft in the air. What if you fall out of your cherry picker and hit the ground - will you even live through that??? If you do, who's going to look after you, because you're currently the most able bodied person in your household...
You have no time to be angry about smokescreens when you're looking at what they're actually doing rather than at what they won't do.
I have no time to be angry about that when I'm fearful that they're literally going to kill me, just like the Tories before them tried to do.
Disabled people might want to work, but you have to look at it practically - how many of them can work???
I remember asking several times under the Tories for tailor made answers about reasonable adjustments that I can ask for at work - this is back in 2016ish... guess what??? I'm still no closer to an answer now than I was then.
I still have the undiagnosed medical condition that I have to live with and declare to my prospective employer - but no practical advice that I can give to them on how to help me.
At the end of the day, they want you looking over there at the two child benefit cap while they're over here, killing your sick and disabled by making them work until they have medical episodes on the job.
It's me today, but it's only a matter of time before it's you or someone that you love facing the fact that you're going to be in a position just like this. You're going to be looking for work that you know that you physically can't do because you faint/collapse and they want you cleaning or working for Amazon. You're going to be scared of having a medical episode and fainting/collapsing 24ft in the air. What if you fall out of your cherry picker and hit the ground - will you even live through that??? If you do, who's going to look after you, because you're currently the most able bodied person in your household...
You have no time to be angry about smokescreens when you're looking at what they're actually doing rather than at what they won't do.
MartinII · 70-79, M
He's certainly authoritarian, as is demonstrated by various proposals in the King's Speech. The trouble is that Johnson from 2020 onwards and Sunak made the Conservatives authoritarian also. Where would you find a true liberal in British politics at the moment?
Justme264 · 70-79, M
@Burnley123 'cept maybe Alan Johnson, the best PM that the Labour Party never had?
MartinII · 70-79, M
@Burnley123 Quite so.
InOtterWords · F
Hence my post yesterday
One thing that he does not want to over turn it but to suspend the MPs in favour is a really poor shout.
What does Starmer plan to do for child poverty?
One thing that he does not want to over turn it but to suspend the MPs in favour is a really poor shout.
What does Starmer plan to do for child poverty?
MartinII · 70-79, M
@Burnley123 To be fair, you wouldn't get the kind of policies you want without winning elections!
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@MartinII I haven't got the policies I want anyway.
MartinII · 70-79, M
@Burnley123 No, but they (or some of them) are surely closer to what you want than would have been the case if Labour had not been in gov.
Royrogers · 61-69, M
Yes principles are as long as they are his principles
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SW-User
He has no money to do otherwise.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SW-User He's increasing money on the military and refusing to tax the rich.
It's priorities: conservative ones.
It's priorities: conservative ones.
ArtieKat · M
No surprises, @Burnley123
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