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Saving Democracy Is More Important Than Putting Donald Trump in Jail. Here's How :President Biden Can Eviscerate Trump in the Debates.

In President Biden's opening statement he should PARDON Donald Trump for the four charges for his conduct following the 2020 presidential election through the January 6 Capitol attack: conspiracy to defraud the United States under Title 18 of the United States Code, obstructing an official proceeding and conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding under the Sarbanes–Oxley Act of 2002, and conspiracy against rights under the Enforcement Act of 1870.

A president's power to pardon is near absolute. SCOTUS hasn't even ruled that a president can't pardon himself/herself.

President Biden should pardon Trump regarding those four charges and state the reasons why, preferably in a 3 1/2 to 4 minute opening statement:

[quote]
The U.S. Supreme Court, with its unconscionable actions, has essentially prevented a federal trial related to charges against Mr. Trump from the 2020 presidential election through the January 6th Capitol attack from being completed in time before the November election, thus depriving the American people from weighing an outcome in that case into their calculus for their presidential vote.

If Mr. Trump were to prevail in the election, he's surely going to order the Justice Department to end the prosecution of his case.

Quite frankly, should I prevail in the election, I was intending to pardon Mr. Trump anyway in the hope that we can then start to heal the divisions in our country.

And, finally, the American people need to hear in this debate - tonight - what Mr. Trump did and did not do on January 6th, 2021 that was so dangerous, so despicable, so outrageous that it needs to be discussed - now, before the election. Mr. Trump wants to blame me for ordering his prosecution. I did not. The Justice Department acted independently to file charges. But discussing it tonight is far more important than a finding of his guilt or innocent.

We need to discuss why he refuses to denounce those who wanted to literally hang the then-sitting Vice President of the United States, Mike Pence. Why he calls those who brutally attacked and murdered Capitol Hill police officers and soiled the halls of Congress "patriots." How a person seeking the highest office in the land, the most powerful office on this planet, constantly attacks judges, juries, court employees, witnesses, reporters, poll workers. Who constantly denigrates women.

Who made accusations that the father of a United States Senator, Republican Ted Cruz of Texas, helped to assassinate President John F. Kennedy in 1963 - making up that bald face lie in order to smear his opponent in order to help win the Republican nomination in 2016. Someone who was convicted of sexual assault on a woman - and who then continued with character assassination on her even after being ordered by the courts to pay restitution. Who was been found in contempt of court multiple times. Who was found guilty of falsifying business records for his financial gain. Who claims that a president has absolute immunity while in office, even to the point... get this, even to the point that he can't be prosecuted for ordering the assassination of his political opponents. That's what he had his attorneys argued before the United States Supreme Court.

Ladies and gentlemen, those aren't the actions of a person to entrust with the presidency of the United States. Those are the actions of a despot. There's a reason why Mr. Trump once re-tweeted a quote by Benito Mussolini: "It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep." It's because Mr. Trump sees himself as that lion, just as Mussolini did. To roar out commands. To pounce on the old, the frail, the young and the weak. To belittle anyone who disagrees with him and to then send out his thugs to make death threats and commit violence.

That's not who we are as a nation. We are far better than that. Our Founding Fathers revolted against that type of despotism.

But I can't talk about Mr. Trump's actions tonight without prejudicing the case against him. Therefore, I am using my power under the United States Constitution to pardon Mr. Trump for the conspiracy to defraud the United States under Title 18 of the United States Code, obstructing an official proceeding and conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding under the Sarbanes–Oxley Act of 2002, and conspiracy against rights under the Enforcement Act of 1870.

Make no mistake. This pardon is unequivocal, unchallengeable and final. Before stepping onto this stage, I signed an order directing the Justice Department to withdraw these charges against Mr. Trump. Prosecution against others who are so charged will continue and it will be up to Special Counsel Jack Smith as to whether or not Mr. Trump will be called as a witness in those cases. But, for Mr. Trump, he is no longer a defendant against those charges.[/quote]
RockerDad · M
I don’t think pardoning Trump would do anything to heal the nation. Personally, I would be livid if Biden pardoned Trump. Biden has already stated in the past that he would not pardon him, though. The way you heal this country, is to prove to everyone that no one, including a president, is above the law. I would take some solace knowing that our Justice system actually works. Wealth and power should not buy anyone a Get Out Of Jail Free card, and the act of appointing judges should not make them beholden to you….and while we are on the subject, I think to qualify to become a Supreme Court Justice, one should have more than 14 days of trial experience in their legal career.
@RockerDad I hear and largely agree with you, except, I'm not sure that establishing that the President is not above the law will in fact "heal" the Country.

We have, imo, a massive division in this country over and while all in favor of Trump being held accountable in Court, I don't see where this will "heal" anything.

I'm not sure the election will, either, but I see more hope there than with an acquittal, conviction, or even an accepted pardon.

Put another way, I don't think it matters to enough of them if Trump is a witch, as long as they believe he's their witch.
@RockerDad [quote]I don’t think pardoning Trump would do anything to heal the nation. Personally, I would be livid if Biden pardoned Trump.[/quote]

Same. I'm so sick of hearing that nobody is above the law while the rich and powerful are allowed to break laws. Besides, if Biden pardoned Trump, the nation wouldn't come together. Trump would just say that he was innocent of everything, so Crooked Joe Biden had no choice but to pardon him. Look at what happened with the Mueller Report and the two impeachments. Trump was let off, so now he pretends they were witch hunts and uses them to make his cultists even crazier.
Interesting idea. Of course, Biden can't pardon Trump for any state crimes; the Georgia & New York prosecutions will continue, and there may be other prosecutions in states where Trump conspired to organize slates of false electors. But taking away Trump's excuse for silence about Jan 6 would be interesting.
@RockerDad Some trumpsters are claiming Biden or DoJ is involved with the hush money case because the prosecutor who made the opening statement, Colangelo, had worked for DoJ. But, while true, that's not the whole story, because Colangelo had been an NY state prosecutor for many years. In fact Colangelo had direct experience with Trump because he had much to do with the investigation and suit that forced the Trump Foundation to shut down. And Colangelo left DoJ to work with the NY state prosecutors.

Regarding MI & IA, although there were 7 states with false electors, not all of them filled out phony paperwork. I believe some were sorta 'on standby;' maybe that affects Trump's involvement somehow. Or maybe they're just waiting to flip some lower level people and name Trump later.
RockerDad · M
@ElwoodBlues all of Trump’s indictments came from grand juries, not DOJ. I do believe the hush money case is the least serious of the four, and probably the weakest as well. No new info is really coming out of it. It’s all public knowledge and has been for years. The Georgia case and the classified documents case are far more juicy , and I hope they get to see the light of day.
@RockerDad Agreed about the hush money case being the least serious. Trump's lawyers have got the Georgia case stalled while they try to remove Fani Willis, and Cannon in Florida has pretty much frozen the documents case. I, too, hope they get to see the light of day.
helenS · 36-40, F
Fully agree with you. Healing the wounds may be the most important thing to do. Not sure if it's not too late for your great nation though... 😕
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
I can follow the logic . . but the ability of a president or governor to pardon any criminal offence is a worrying interference in the independence of the judiciary. Certainly dorsn't look healthy from a distance.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@SunshineGirl

You think we have an independent judiciary after all the back-breaking lifting SCOTUS has done for Trump? 🤣
DunningKruger · 61-69, M
No. Absolutely not. This would only empower the reactionary right even more. They would see it as a victory and it would spur them on even more in their goal to impose their fascist theocratic dictatorship. It would only make things worse.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@DunningKruger

I am talking about the January 6th case.

Trump can still be convicted in any number of the other trials, so long as Biden wins. Otherwise, Trump will make them magically disappear.
I like this idea, but FWIW, there's precedent for refusing a pardon. It'd be interesting to watch Trump squirm around if Biden sprung it on him, but my guess is, he'd just do a typical Trump and attack and deflect rather than defend.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Even Mitt Romney wants Biden to pardon him.

Not certain if that idea wouldn't backfire however and why moderate Republicans like Romney are pushing for that.

They are thinking only of their party AFTER Trump.
RockerDad · M
Trump should not be pardoned. While president, Trump used the power of the pardon in inappropriate ways. Nearly everyone he pardoned was a friend of his or a political lackey of some kind or another. He had his subordinates do criminal acts, on the promise that if they were arrested, he would pardon them. While he has managed to delay the trials of the three most serious crimes he’s accused of until after the election…I cannot believe he was allowed to do that , for once in his life, he should be held responsible for his crimes. Many people who were in his inner circle are now charged with crimes they did on his behalf.
Theyitis · 36-40, M
I don’t know what there is to gain by pardoning Trump, and I would be totally pissed if Biden did that. No one should be above the law because of their wealth or their current or former political office, but I think we all know by now that Trump will in fact get away with his crimes because he’s going to get elected president again and then he’ll pardon himself and the phony Supreme Court will let him do it because he’s a Republican. The whole judicial, legal, and political system is completely broken, no one can count on the government to deliver any kind of justice or decency anymore, but for God’s sake don’t make it any easier for that devil!!!
RockerDad · M
A lot of people faulted Ford for pardoning Nixon, and unlike Trump, Nixon had not been charged with a crime, let alone as many crimes as Trump is charged with.
I sincerely hope for this!
This is what people do when they know there is no [i]real[/i] evidence for a conviction. When they know their prosecution is politically motivated and fabricated. When their case is slipping away. It's called backpedaling.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@NoThanksLeon

There's no chance for a conviction in the federal Jan. 6th case [big][b]before the election[/b][/big] because SCOTUS has kicked the can down the road, denying President Biden the chance to discuss Trump's actions.

[b][big]THAT is why I favor the pardon route[/big][/b]... because I want the President to be able to slam Trump in the debates over his actions leading up to and including on January 6th, 2021.
@beckyromero [quote]SCOTUS has kicked the can down the road[/quote]
[b][big]6 - 3[/big][/b] 🤭
And do you know who you can thank for that? Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who, instead of retiring, hung on to her job like a pope [i]only[/i] so she could administer the oath of office to 'president' Hillary.
If RBG had retired when she should have, under President Obama, then Obama would have nominated her replacement. I don't care how liberal you are, you can't deny that RBG is responsible.
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
All politically motivated
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