Sad
Only logged in members can reply and interact with the post.
Join SimilarWorlds for FREE »

Arizona abortion ban: Trump speaking from both sides of his mouth.

The former president, speaking to reporters after landing in Georgia for a fundraiser, said the law in Arizona would “definitely” change and defended his view that abortion policy should be left to the states even as some of them enact restrictive bans.

The Arizona Supreme Court ruled that existing state law banning abortion is enforceable. What was Trump insinuating when he said that Arizona's highest court went too far?
Trump often speaks out of both sides of his mouth, is often logically and factually inconsistent, and the next time he opens his mouth he'll say something different. Occasionally, he'll deny having said something he said previously, but even then, he might come back to contradict himself.

The trick is, imo, to just accept the fact that what comes out of his mouth is chosen based on how it will benefit Trump in the moment.

He sees not being bound by facts, logic or honesty as virtues, and personally, I think it's a mistake to search too hard for those things from Trump, or for that matter, from his followers.

Abortion is a pretty good example of his amoral pragmatism, but its only the tip of the iceberg and I think that anyone who votes for Trump because they agree with him on any issue is really missing the boat.

He doesnt care about issues, or people, other than as tools he can use for his own benefit.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@MistyCee

If the Zionists are into false flag operations, they missed a golden opportunity last night during the Iranian attack.

They could have leveled the Al-Aqsa mosque with a bomb, and said it was an Iranian missile that did it.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@MistyCee Double check with Blu-anon.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Feeling puckish? @MistyCee
Reason10 · 61-69, M
Here is a link to what the LAST LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT SAID. And it's his WHOLE statement, not a selected excerpt intended to piss off the Nazis.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-arizona-pro-life-law-went-too-far-biden-camp-claims-policy-u-turn

[c=BF0000]Asked Wednesday whether the state judges went "too far" in their ruling, Trump responded, "Yeah, they did." And that will be straightened out," Trump continued. "And as you know, it’s all about states’ rights. That will be straightened out. And I’m sure that the governor and everybody else are going to bring it back into reason. And that will be taken care of, I think, very quickly."[/c]

To bring the goose steppers here up to speed with the facts, this was a COURT RULING, not a legislative action, and not a public referendum. The decision to revert back to the law that outlaws ALL abortions except those to save the life of the mother was NOT done by an legislature

And LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP said the state (meaning it's VOTERS) will straighten it out.

But of course, the Nazis don't tell you ALL the facts.
SlaveEt · 36-40, F
Of course abortion, and many other issues, should be left to the states, just as President Trump said. And, if one is paying any sort of attention at all to the happenings in AZ, you'd know his statement that the law would "definitely" change is also true. Not sure why you are implying that he would be the source of the change when it is obvious the people of AZ are making that choice.🙄
SlaveEt · 36-40, F
@sree251
Lol my dad always teased my sister and I that we were hatched.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@SlaveEt [quote] Lol my dad always teased my sister and I that we were hatched. [/quote]

Your dad was not wrong. You and your sister were chicks.
SlaveEt · 36-40, F
@sree251
Lol cute👍
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
Let's be honest. When has trump been consistent about anything? All that matters to him is trump and only trump.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@Crazywaterspring and Americans
IronHamster · 56-60, M
I don't think it's a bad idea, and not duplicitous on Trump's statements.

The old Arizona law is there, but will be changed. Their Supreme Court isn't there to pass or amend the law. The law is there, and there's nothing for them to interpret, so the system is working right there. So, the onus falls on the legislators to modify and modernize the law.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@sree251 I see his statement as a perfect balance. Truthfully, aborting a pregnancy is not a Federal government issue, and I am glad to see it moved to the states. My view on abortion is probably similar to Trumps. I value human life, but I am not willing to cut the baby in half to keep either side from getting their way. And, truthfully, there are many women suffering from liberalism that will make the world a better place if they don't pass their genes on to the next generation.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@IronHamster Well, I am impressed with your reply. You leave no opening for me to attack you.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@sree251 I prefer finding common ground.
robertsnj · 56-60, M
I don't know why he doubled down on this one. I vote Democrat but do acknowledge that his team does their homework on the issues and helps him say things that will appeal to his base.

The data supports the idea that the locals (Arizona residents) not being keen on an abortion ban this aggressive. Biden won AZ in their last runoff by less than 1 percent.

I am not sure that the hill Republicans or Trump want do die on pre election . It feels like immgration would have been a better play for them.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/state/arizona/views-about-abortion/

https://kjzz.org/content/1813716/abortion-ban-ruling-not-what-90-arizonans-want
@jackjjackson Of course its about extremes. See my response to @sree251 about moral pragmatism and let's not get lost in whatabouts, or looking for other historical figures with similar personality profiles.

My point here is, if you're pro-life or pro-choice and Trump says something about the issue you like, you should consider who said it, and how many other lies and foolish claims he's made, and why he does it.

I actually do get supporting Trump if you're looking for a chaotic wrecking ball to aim at society, and think you can profit from it. I think it's myopic, short sighted and foolish but hey, you might get rich from Truth Social, be lucky enough to get paid if your in debt to him, or you might get enough off in taxes or whatever, but I think it's a huge risk, given his history, to do business with him.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
It about the safest choice we are presented with is RFK Jr @MistyCee
@jackjjackson I'm not convinced he isn't on Trump's payroll.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
I do not think money is an issue with a Kennedy. @MistyCee
justanothername · 51-55, M
Trump clearly wants more voters to vote for him but with decisions like that he’s going to lose his cult supporters…

So how many MAGAts would vote for Trump if he went against Arizonas abortion ban?
Reason10 · 61-69, M
@justanothername
[quote]Trump clearly wants more voters to vote for him but with decisions like that he’s going to lose his cult supporters…

So how many MAGAts would vote for Trump if he went against Arizonas abortion ban?
[/quote]

So you think people who support a BABY'S right to live are a cult?
justanothername · 51-55, M
@Reason10 Yes. Overly conservative, traditional and limited education outside of what’s in the Bible.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@Reason10 No t think people who support Trump are in a cult.

Anti abortionists were around long before Trump.
MarineBob · 56-60, M
It should be left up to the States, taxpayers shouldn't be on the hook. In cases of rape or minors lets pick up the tab and prosecute the individual
Reason10 · 61-69, M
@MarineBob
[quote]It should be left up to the States, taxpayers shouldn't be on the hook. In cases of rape or minors lets pick up the tab and prosecute the individual[/quote]
Most people agree with that.
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
Supteme court move abortion law to states. What is your problem numbnuts
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Patriot96 I have no problem with the Arizona Supreme Court ruling. My issue is with Trump. He was not being clear when he said what he said about "going too far".

What did Trump mean? The court didn't make Arizona's abortion law, the Sate of Arizona did, way back in 1864. Arizonians did not change that law and the court said it is still standing and enforceable.

Personally, I like that 1864 law banning abortions. It is just right and not going too far. Trump is progressive in that regard. Is Trump allowing his daughters and teenage grand-daughters to abort unwanted babies? If I were Trump, I would rather have the babies born out of wedlock into the family.
hunkalove · 61-69, M
No, Trump lies about everything. He will do whatever benefits Trump.
This comment is hidden. Show Comment
Bumbles · 51-55, M
Nothing in particular. That’s not how Trump works. He was just using his gut because he knows abortion is not a great issue for him in certain states.
Gringo · 46-50, M
Arizona iced tea is very economically sound
This comment is hidden. Show Comment
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@TexChik a responsible liberal? Huh?
This comment is hidden. Show Comment

 
Post Comment