ARIZONA ABORTION LAW RETURNS TO 1864

@windinhishair Choice? Is that how you see it? You want teenage girls to have the choice to mess around? America is a Christian country.

@sree251 You want the minority to rule the majority in a democracy? America is not a Christian country. Separation of church and state is explicitly written into the Constitution. And it will remain that way. If you don't like it you can leave.

@windinhishair [quote] You want the minority to rule the majority in a democracy? [/quote]

The topic is about the validity of abortion law in Arizona. The law reflects the dictate of Christian morality regardless of secular sentiments today. Separation of church from state is not a viable project in practice.

@sree251 You were the one who made the categorically false statement that the US was a "Christian country". It isn't and never has been. So you changed the topic, not me.

The Arizona law is outdated and not reflective of the will of the people. It will be changed, as it should be. Separation of church and state has been the practice since the inception of the US. A more than 200 year successful run shows it is viable and will remain viable, despite the efforts of Christian nationalists to rule and impose their beliefs on the majority as a minority.

@sree251 So the dwindling number of Christians can be abstinent and the growing number of non-Christians can do what they like.

Also, the US is not a Christian country, it’s a country with Christians living in it. The Constitution makes no mention of Christianity or Jesus. On top of that, the Bible doesn’t forbid abortion. The right wing opposition to abortion and the association with Christianity is relatively recent.

@LeopoldBloom [quote] So the dwindling number of Christians can be abstinent and the growing number of non-Christians can do what they like. [/quote]

Dwindling? White, black, and latino Americans are Christians. They form the majority of Americans.

@sree251 If you want to live in a theocracy, move to Iran.

@sree251 71% of Americans support the right to choose and believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases. The Dobbs decision, and the Arizona ruling, support a minority view at best.

@LordShadowfire [quote] If you want to live in a theocracy, move to Iran. [/quote]

Christian America works for me. There are only pockets of moral degradation in the cities.

@windinhishair [quote] The Dobbs decision, and the Arizona ruling, support a minority view at best. [/quote]

The Dobbs decision and the Arizona ruling support the rule of law as they exist on the books. You may say that the majority view is different but the majority must get those laws changed. It is not that easy. We are a republic, and there are mechanisms to prevent fools from changing the laws that protect America's institutions as founded in 1776. Good luck.

@sree251 Roe v. Wade was the law for 50 years and supported the rule of law as it existed on the books. The only thing that changed was a hard right-wing Court bent on legislating from the bench to twist existing law for their own ends. It won't last though. States are already incorporating laws to ensure women have the right to choose, as they did for the 50 years before Dobbs. Arizona will just be the next state to do so.

@windinhishair I said, "good luck".

@sree251 Luck isn't needed. The majority votes and will prevail over Christian theocracy.

@windinhishair Do you understand that the United States has a system of federalism? The Constitution makes no mention of abortion. Powers not delegated by the Constitution are reserved to the states. Arizona is split on abortion. In other states, the majority very clearly do not want it.

@badlands Yes, we get it. The majority of certain states want a war on women.

@LordShadowfire I could argue that the majority of other certain states want a war on unborn babies. [i]Roe v. Wade[/i] was not constitutional, and the consequence is that the states can make their own laws on abortion. Why do you keep whining about it?

@LordShadowfire According to her autopsy report, her heart and underlying conditions killed her. This was a natural death.

This information aside, it is hard to find some real facts about this woman. There are numerous pro abortion activists and websites using her story, and they do not tell the truth. Everything written by them is opinionated, deceptive, and unclear. Her death does not change how most Texans reject abortion in their state.

@badlands And you legitimately think it was a good thing to force her to carry her pregnancy to term with underlying conditions like that? Really?

Don't bother answering that. I've got plenty more stories like that, and you can't possibly brush them all away.

@sree251 [quote]. America is a Christian country. [/quote]

Stop revisioning history. It was founded as and always has been a secular nation.

@LordShadowfire Did she ask for an abortion? Are you advocating abortion for all women, or only when it is to save the woman's life? Which one is it?

@LordShadowfire [quote] The majority of certain states want a war on women. [/quote]

The majority doesn't want your kind degrading social morals to the level that is conducive for billionaires to fly teenage sugar babies to their pleasure Islands. Why are you insects always crawling around public issues - such as bottom surgeries and abortions - that have nothing to do with you?

@badlands 71% of Americans believe in access to abortion. It was legal for 50 years and will be again in the future once Dobbs is overturned, as it will inevitably be.