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So you claim you can see a militant with a gun, but not a much larger logo on a van?

Good grief IDFs explanation creates more questions than answers.

You claim you are being "singled out" because you are Israel - well when you go around for decades shouting that you are the "most moral army in the world" you sure as hell are inviting such criticism. Other countries face the same criticism for such actions, yet you fail to acknowledge it, instead claiming you are being singled out.

It would be much easier if you could claim you had some "trigger happy extremist soldiers" and then discipline them accordingly.

Instead they are telling us that they thought a bag a guy was carrying was a gun, then a whole story about a chain of errors. Not sure if I believe it. But if it is true, that may be worse. Do you think anyone will believe this is the first time it happened?

NOPE.

This now calls into question all the other similar incidents where they claimed "a militant was hiding in there" or "we saw a man with a gun". Any rational person will now believe the same "misidentification" happened with most of them. The nuns that got gunned down. The massacre at the delivery truck... all of them.

That "misidentification" on a gross scale is called "Indiscriminate bombing."

And you called us all antisemites for pointing it out. I doubt Israel will apologize for such comments.

And guess what? Now people won't believe you when you claim you saw a weapon and opened fire - and they have just reason not to.

It shows a systematic problem whereby you don't care who you are shooting at. If you could claim you saw a Hamas operative in every house or every car, you would claim just cause to blow them all up and call us all antisemites for wanting proof that there was a Hamas fighter in every car or house.

And that is called GENOCIDE.

Israel has dug itself quite a deep hole here. And its sad, because many Israelis see what the problem is, but may be powerless to stop it. Netanyahu and his extremist ilk need to be gone ASAP if Israel is to avoid decades of further conflict.
Ynotisay · M
They did dismiss a couple of officers and soldiers. In this case, I tend to believe it was just an enormous error. There was no upside for them to do this. The backlash would have been obvious in advance.

That said, if they did go with "singled out" that makes perfect sense. Being persecuted is their lane and they use it to justify all kinds of shit. The only path forward that I see that could result in something workable is if Netanyahu, and his supporters in government, are ousted. When religious, conservative zealots are driving the train you know there's going to be a bad crash.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@Ynotisay I agree. But in my mind it would have been much better for them to say "we had an extremist and we are dealing with him" instead of having to admit you are shooting at people without confirmation, withe the obvious conclusion that this is not an isolated incident. We have a few bad apples vs we have a major problem with our morals and our strategy.
JSul3 · 70-79
Read this article from The Guardian.

The machine did it coldly’: Israel used AI to identify 37,000 Hamas targets
Israeli intelligence sources reveal use of ‘Lavender’ system in Gaza war and claim permission given to kill civilians in pursuit of low-ranking militants

Bethan McKernan in Jerusalem and Harry Davies
Wed 3 Apr 2024 09.53 EDT

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-1
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@JSul3 I saw that. So they basically made a computer program to determine who lives and who dies.

Isn't that God's job?
JSul3 · 70-79
@trollslayer Evidently it is the IDF's.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
I just can’t get over that people get killed in war in general, and this example, in particular, the only military conflict on the planet.

Someone should write a letter to the editor.
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trollslayer · 46-50, M
@Bumbles and gambling. You left that out
JSul3 · 70-79
@Bumbles There is an invasion of Ukraine by Putin.....and thanks to Bibi dropping a few bombs on Syria, more conflict to come.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
So suddenly you can see in the dark, eh
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@sunsporter1649 well, they spotted a man with a supposed weapon in the dark
Oh, but I'm sure the Israeli government will perform an honest investigation into their own actions. 🙄
JSul3 · 70-79
@LordShadowfire Of course they will!/s
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