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[Constitutional politics] France Codifies abortion rights in their constitution.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/04/france-to-hold-final-vote-on-enshrining-abortion-as-a-constitutional-right
[quote][c=#000000]The French parliament has enshrined abortion as a constitutional right at a historic joint session at the Palace of Versailles.

Out of 925 MPs and senators eligible to vote, 780 supported the amendment, which will give women the “guaranteed freedom” to choose an abortion.

There was thunderous applause in the chamber as the result was announced on Monday; in central Paris, the Eiffel Tower was illuminated to mark the occasion.

The measure had already been passed by the upper and lower houses, the Sénat and the Assemblée Nationale, but final approval by parliamentarians at the joint session at Versailles was needed to effect constitutional change.

The prime minister, Gabriel Attal, told those gathered in the opulent Congress Hall in the palace’s Midi wing: “We are haunted by the suffering and memory of so many women who were not free. We owe a moral debt [to all the women who] suffered in their flesh.

“Today, the present must respond to history. To enshrine this right in our constitution is to close the door on the tragedy of the past and its trail of suffering and pain. It will further prevent reactionaries from attacking women.

“Let’s not forget that the train of oppression can happen again. Let’s act to ensure that it doesn’t, that it never comes this day.”

He added: “I say to all women within our borders and beyond, that today, the era of a world of hope begins.”

She added: “Your fight is ours. This victory is yours.”
Mathilde Panot speaks at the congress
Mathilde Panot told the congress the abortion rights were ‘a promise … for all women fighting [for them] everywhere in the world’. Photograph: Bertrand Guay/AFP/Getty Images

The president, Emmanuel Macron, said he had promised to make women’s freedom to choose an abortion “irreversible”. Writing the right to abortion into the constitution, which involved amending the 17th paragraph of article 34 that defines the law and its limits, was seen as a way of protecting the law that decriminalised abortion in France in 1975.[/c][/quote]

This is a example of what should be done here in the USA.

And not just with abortion rights, yet with In Vitro Fertilization as well as contraception.

The Constitution is the place for ALL RIGHTS!
Not laws that will be revoked by any supreme court that deals with constitutional rights!

If it's not there it WILL BE REVOKED by opposing parties at some future point!

Same applies to all other rights.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
Politicians in the US avoid going that route because they prefer the issue rather than the right.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@DeWayfarer He's not lowering drug costs, he's cost shifting drug costs. If the president and congress really wanted to lower US drug costs they would remove the legal obstacles to purchasing prescription drugs from foreign distributors.

The cost shifting crap makes it look like Biden is doing us a favor, but drug companies just shift the cost to other products or other people, making them cost/pay more. Meanwhile, US laws prohibit or restrict reimported drugs back into the US. A pill that's made in the US that cost $1 in the US only costs 60 cents in Mexico. Politicians cost shift drugs for political purposes, meanwhile create legal obstacles that let drug companies cost shift from one country to another.

Take away the government's heavy footprint on prescription drugs and the price for everyone and practically every drug would go down by 40% plus. Biden and his pals in congress aren't doing us a favor, they are screwing us over by shifting the prices to gain political favor while helping drug companies charge more in the US than elsewhere.
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CestManan · 46-50, F
I have a French friend online who mentioned that they did this because of what happened here in the USA.

I guess our country has become the example of "don't let this happen to you."

[quote]French people are also not afraid to stand up for themselves. [/quote]

People often assume the French are weak or cowards or whatever, far from it. They do not just roll over and meekly accept oppressive BS like Americans do.
They raised our retirement age to 67 and no one said a word to oppose it.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@CestManan I think their is always some kind of protest going on in Paris. It's very French to protest.
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
@CestManan The French are allowed to protest. In the US gun nuts shoot into crowds and are celebrated by the police. (Rittenhouse)

The police are not necessarily there to maintain the peace. They are there to protect capital. ACAB.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Crazywaterspring that's another constitutional right issue that needs to badly be addressed!

Yet I am focusing on just the women's reproduction rights issues. All three of the issues I mentioned (abortion, IVF and contraception) are women's rights.

There are other constitutional rights issues that as well need to be addressed. Like gay marriage, education and so forth.
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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@OldMan70 well ... if you look below there are other issues.

I'm not going to say that ALL of Europe is more advanced than we are. Even they are taking back steps in certain areas.

None are close to being perfect.
badlands · 22-25, F
Why should aborting your baby be a constitutional right?

The French are very wrong.
badlands · 22-25, F
@DeWayfarer Do you believe in God? Is the Bible true? Why argue about something you reject?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@badlands You obviously are not at least understanding my replies...

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[c=000000]I'm playing devil's advocate here, taking the Christian point of view[/c]! I could have been ordained once!
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Egg01 · 56-60, F
It should, but I fear it’s very unlikely 😔
Egg01 · 56-60, F
@DeWayfarer absolutely and yes, countries like France are leading the way with this issue. French people are also not afraid to stand up for themselves. They took to the streets in May last year to protest the proposal by Macron’s Government to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/07/nationwide-strikes-in-france-over-plan-to-raise-pension-age-to-64
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Egg01 they as well have tried to remove the influence of religion. Yet they are at a strangle point on dress issue.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/06/europe/france-abaya-ban-scli-intl/index.html

I have reservations as to the extent they are taking this.

I don't like religion, yet the total opposite isn't good either.

Let them wear what they want to wear. Let it show that you can accept other cultures. Yet at the same time stress that is their culture.
Egg01 · 56-60, F
@DeWayfarer again we’re in agreement. Banning religion is not the answer. I think the moral of the story is that nothing is perfect, thank goodness!
So if only the natives are aborting the next generation….
Next minute.. France-astan 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️
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Bumbles · 51-55, M
What’s this about the US being the best country?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Bumbles codifying abortion rights and other similar rights into the USA constitution.

France can do it on one issue... Abortion. Yet all of those issues (abortion rights, In Vitro Fertilization as well as contraception) need to be codified into our constitution.

One way or the other!
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Makes sense. Next should be codification of executions.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@MasterLee you are the one attempting to change the topic! Therefore you are being off topic!
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@DeWayfarer still breathing
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@MasterLee guy you don't want me to delete your whole thread? Do you?

This is my post. I set the topic in posting this about CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!

 
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