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[Constitutional politics] France Codifies abortion rights in their constitution.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/04/france-to-hold-final-vote-on-enshrining-abortion-as-a-constitutional-right
[quote][c=#000000]The French parliament has enshrined abortion as a constitutional right at a historic joint session at the Palace of Versailles.

Out of 925 MPs and senators eligible to vote, 780 supported the amendment, which will give women the “guaranteed freedom” to choose an abortion.

There was thunderous applause in the chamber as the result was announced on Monday; in central Paris, the Eiffel Tower was illuminated to mark the occasion.

The measure had already been passed by the upper and lower houses, the Sénat and the Assemblée Nationale, but final approval by parliamentarians at the joint session at Versailles was needed to effect constitutional change.

The prime minister, Gabriel Attal, told those gathered in the opulent Congress Hall in the palace’s Midi wing: “We are haunted by the suffering and memory of so many women who were not free. We owe a moral debt [to all the women who] suffered in their flesh.

“Today, the present must respond to history. To enshrine this right in our constitution is to close the door on the tragedy of the past and its trail of suffering and pain. It will further prevent reactionaries from attacking women.

“Let’s not forget that the train of oppression can happen again. Let’s act to ensure that it doesn’t, that it never comes this day.”

He added: “I say to all women within our borders and beyond, that today, the era of a world of hope begins.”

She added: “Your fight is ours. This victory is yours.”
Mathilde Panot speaks at the congress
Mathilde Panot told the congress the abortion rights were ‘a promise … for all women fighting [for them] everywhere in the world’. Photograph: Bertrand Guay/AFP/Getty Images

The president, Emmanuel Macron, said he had promised to make women’s freedom to choose an abortion “irreversible”. Writing the right to abortion into the constitution, which involved amending the 17th paragraph of article 34 that defines the law and its limits, was seen as a way of protecting the law that decriminalised abortion in France in 1975.[/c][/quote]

This is a example of what should be done here in the USA.

And not just with abortion rights, yet with In Vitro Fertilization as well as contraception.

The Constitution is the place for ALL RIGHTS!
Not laws that will be revoked by any supreme court that deals with constitutional rights!

If it's not there it WILL BE REVOKED by opposing parties at some future point!

Same applies to all other rights.
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badlands · 22-25, F
Why should aborting your baby be a constitutional right?

The French are very wrong.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@badlands a woman is a reality. Not a concept. You're dealing with concepts when you say that. Hypotheticals! Possibilities! So forth! A baby isn't real until it's born!
badlands · 22-25, F
@DeWayfarer An embryo and a fetus are also a reality, which is why she has an abortion to remove them. If they were a concept, she would not need a pill or surgery for their removal.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@badlands they ARE potentials! Why there are birth dates given to new borns!

A car isn't a car until it's finished being made! It's potentially a car before that.
badlands · 22-25, F
@DeWayfarer We are no longer in our mother's body when she gives birth, and we are visible to people in a way we weren't before. This is the inevitable conclusion, what happens when the woman remains pregnant, which only nature should determine. A potential is something that could happen; a baby has already happened. We use contraception when we understand "potential."
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@badlands no! Anything can happen before birth! It's a potential! It could live, it could be dead or defective! It's not a real baby until it's born!

The three wise men didn't go to visit a pregnant woman! They went there to visit a live baby!
badlands · 22-25, F
@DeWayfarer You could also continue to live, or you could die. A fetus has a heartbeat and this makes them alive. If they are seen to be healthy in the womb, they are expected to live.

Mary was told that she would have Jesus. It was determined by God, not by her. Women who have abortions have inflicted the state of pregnancy on themselves, and changed their minds after. They are trying to play God.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@badlands

[quote]Mary was told that she would have Jesus. It was determined by God, not by her[/quote]

even that was a prediction! Or a potential!

And so was the Wiseman in going there! It took them years to get there. Long before she was even pregnant.

That would make even her menstrual cycles a murder, every month! She was a virgin after all!

They didn't go to see her pregnant. They went to see the LIVE baby! The position of the stars being the exact place and time! Hence the time of birth being significant.

I'm playing devil's advocate here, taking the Christian point of view! I could have been ordained once!
badlands · 22-25, F
@DeWayfarer It was inevitable, unless God decided otherwise. A potential can be changed before it becomes a destination. This is why contraception is necessary if you wish to avoid pregnancy. Abortion is used as birth control when the baby is already inside the womb, developing, and preparing to come out.

They went to worship baby Jesus—the baby that she was meant to be pregnant with. Every baby has a purpose, and abortion interferes with that purpose.

If you like, you can say that an unborn baby can have "potential" in its future, like being able to ride a bike, read a book, go to school, and so on. The potential to be alive has already been realized because its body has formed, organs are growing, heart is beating, and they are separate from the mother. Only practical potentials are left now.

You are likely to say that the baby going home is a potential, but it is no more a potential than you waking up tomorrow or your country going to war. These are potentials, the heart beating in your chest is not.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@badlands

[quote]You are likely to say that the baby going home is a potential
[/quote]you're putting words into what I said or didn't read or understand what I said...


[quote]Hence the time of birth being significant.
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Even the Bible says the time of birth is significant!

They were wisemen or astronomers. Not even prophets.
badlands · 22-25, F
@DeWayfarer Tell me, what do you think it says? It says there is a time for everything, and it says that God knew the prophet Jeremiah before he formed him. The implication is that this extends to all of us. "Time of birth" is a baby using its body to leave its mother's body. There are always two or more bodies with intact, beating hearts, making it impossible for abortion to not be murder.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@badlands now you're getting into interpretation.

You don't want to go there. I know a bit of Greek and Aramaic. It was required.
badlands · 22-25, F
@DeWayfarer Do you believe in God? Is the Bible true? Why argue about something you reject?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@badlands You obviously are not at least understanding my replies...

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[c=000000]I'm playing devil's advocate here, taking the Christian point of view[/c]! I could have been ordained once!
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