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WalksWith · 51-55, F
Statement of General (RET.) Wesley K. Clark, Former NATO Supreme Allied Commander

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SevIsPamprinYouAlways · 56-60, F
@Strictgram Yes, you do repeat the same garbage over and over. Glad you recognized that, given that you’re a sumoroniKKK, perverted, child abusing Reich-Wing apologist for violent insurrection, who also owes her allegiance to Russia and cosplays as a “patriot”.





Strictgram · 70-79, C
@SevIsPamprinYouAlways Amazing you can type in a straightjacket. Or maybe you get a pass from the mental institution where you surely reside.

I dont think any rational person has ever doubted that trump is a Russian asset. He begged Putun to interfere with the 2016 election on national TV. Republicans in Congress confirmed Putin did that. Trump hired Flynn and Manafort who both were confirmed and tried and convicted Russian agents . And 2 weeks ago another trump appointee went to prison for being a Russian agent. trump stole top secret documents to give or trade to Putin to interfer with the 2024 election. He had to give those back.....rather .they were siezed back...so now to get Putin to help him win in 2024 he is openly telling Putin.....help me win and i will let you attack our allies. Trump is flat out Putin"s buttboy.....as much of a traitor as it comes.
KunsanVeteran · 61-69, M
Tres13 · 51-55, M
@Strictgram They suffer from TDS,they will all die from it
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Reason10 · 61-69, M
Once again the IDIOTS at this forum don't get it.
LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP spoke about this during his legitimate presidency (as opposed to what we have now.) He said it's time for nations on the other side of the world to PAY FOR THEIR DEFENSE. It's time for the United States to quit being the policeman of the world.
Those of you liberals here who protested EVERY war this country has engaged in since the Sixties (Vietnam, Cold War, Iraq War, etc) should be APPLAUDING this move. THIS president is giving you your wish. He is getting the United States OUT of the war business. Rich countries like South Korea, Saudi Arabia, etc are going to have to start paying their bills or our troops will be taken out of their country and brought home

HOLY SHIT, you Woodstock liberals should be cheering to the top of your lungs.

"one two three what are we fighting for...don't ask me I don't give a damn, next stop is Vietnam."

YOU'RE GETTING YOUR WISH.

Think of Putin and Russia as the belt that dad is pulling out of his belt loops if the deadbeat NATO countries don't pay their bills.

This is so funny because Putin is such a paper tiger. He's barely able to keep a pissant country like Ukraine in line. Stalin, Khrushchev or Brezhnev would be kicking sand in that pussy's face.

This is why most people have such contempt for liberal Democrats. They are truly the DUMBEST people in America.
JSul3 · 70-79
@IronHamster Keep killing innocent civilians. That will win friends and influence people.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@JSul3 Oh?
22Michelle · 61-69, T
@IronHamster https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230622-israels-state-archive-exposes-zionist-efforts-to-enlist-nazis-against-britain/

Might be an interesting and informative read for you. There were extremists willing to side with the Nazis on both sides.
[center][big]Never Forget[/big][/center]
Trump stood before us and the world in Helsinki, and sided with war criminal Putin, over our allies and intel agencies. He touted Putin as a genius for invading Ukraine.

he calls the fallen and wounded veterans Losers

After he said he would NEVER negotiate with the Taliban?
he MADE the deal, With the Taliban, to leave,,

we are in peril from this[b] malignant Narcissist[/b]
that kind of person would burn our nation down, if we don't let him do whatever he wants
KunsanVeteran · 61-69, M
@SatyrService Very good summary!

It’s time EVERYONE woke up to the Apricot Antichrist’s Clown Show.
Reason10 · 61-69, M
@SatyrService Liar.

All that was done by Unelected Joe.
@Reason10 name calling is not a good sign, I am guessing that your names comes from the Idea
[i]reason : a cause, explanation, or justification for an action or event.[/i]
not
[i]reason: the power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic.

[/i]to lie,, means to transmit facts, one KNOWS are not correct

if I am wrong,, show me,, I do not intend to deceive.
do the check, take each of these and look for the sources
BONUS if you find [i]credible evidence[/i] not just gainsaying.

[i]Trump stood before us and the world in Helsinki, and sided with war criminal Putin, over our allies and intel agencies. He touted Putin as a genius for invading Ukraine.[/i]

[i]he calls the fallen and wounded veterans Losers[/i]
on video,, he said this about John McCaine.

[i]After he said he would NEVER negotiate with the Taliban?
he MADE the deal, With the Taliban, to leave,,[/i]

February 2020, Trump announced that there was a deal. The basic contours: The United States was to get out of Afghanistan in 14 months and, in exchange, the Taliban agreed not to let Afghanistan become a haven for terrorists and to stop attacking U.S. service members.Aug 26, 2021

and according to every state government, [i]Including those that did special investigations[/i]
Mr Biden was duly elected
Happy Valentine’s Day all.
My card for everyone sealed by traitor love.
@IronHamster [quote] As an admitted failure [/quote]

Wasn't expecting you to understand the witty nuances of my username.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic The only sign of Wit is your brevity. Let's work on it from there.
@IronHamster
A nice picture with his finger in donnie’s ass*.
The Geneva Convention must be foreign to you or at least it’s basic concepts of not targeting civilians during war and oh yes let’s not forget not to rape the women!
KunsanVeteran · 61-69, M
Well stated!

He’s absolutely, beyond a doubt [b]unfit![/b]

Always was, is now, [b]and always will be![/b]

Lock the traitor up!
Reason10 · 61-69, M
@KunsanVeteran I wouldn't lock Biden up, even though he is a traitor. Just remove him from office before he does any more damage.
Educated people know that Trump is the best president in the history of America
@Reason10
putin does has his butthole* already tailor made!
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Bee tee dubs, in that hilarious interview with Tucker Carlson, Putin said that Poland forced the Nazis to invade them. Apparently this is used in Russian propaganda, where Ukraine forced Russia to invade.
Trump is playing into this narrative where the imperialists are the good guys who have no choice but to invade other countries. Putin already laid down the foundation for invading Poland. He told his own people they need to rebuild the Russian Empire, and he's telling Americans that Poland forces people to invade them, like they did to the Nazis. If Russia takes Ukraine, Poland will be next, and Trump will defend Putin by saying NATO owed them money.
ironic hamster, who blocks me, claims
[quote]No. NATO is saved by Trump. 100%.[/quote]

That's the opposite of what Trump's national security advisor says.

Bolton says Putin was waiting for Trump to withdraw the US from NATO before invading. Since Trump had threatened such withdrawal multiple times, it was a reasonable expectation on Putin's part. However, after Trump lost both the election and the Jan 6 coup attempt, Putin had no more reason to delay.

[quote]"I thought he put his foot over it, but at least he didn't withdraw then," said Bolton, who wrote in his memoir about Trump's consideration of withdrawing from NATO in 2018. "In a second Trump term, I think he may well have withdrawn from NATO. And I think Putin was waiting for that."[/quote]
KunsanVeteran · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues I am not a big fan of Bolton who is very much a hawk. Having met him not long before I retired, he was then very much a fan of Quad Indicted.

I am glad to see that at least he has seen the light on QI—just like many other [b]former members of his [i]failed [/i][administration![/b]
DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M
I AGREE WITH HIM. Members of NATO are obligated to pay 2% of their GDP towards defense and of the 27 nations , only 5 pay it. It's like an insurance policy, if you don't, pay your dues, you don't get the benefit in an emergency.





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Here's a breakdown of each country's contribution, based on 2016 figures provided by NATO:

United States, 3.61%.

Greece, 2.38%.

Britain, 2.21%.

Estonia, 2.16%.

Poland, 2%.

France, 1.78%.

Turkey, 1.56%.

Norway, 1.54%.

Lithuania, 1.49%.

Romania, 1.48%.

Latvia, 1.45%.

Portugal, 1.38%.

Bulgaria, 1.35%.

Croatia, 1.23%.

Albania, 1.21%.

Germany, 1.19%.

Denmark, 1.17%.

Netherlands, 1.17%.

Slovakia, 1.16%.

Italy, 1.11%.

Czech Republic, 1.04%.

Hungary, 1.01%.

Canada, 0.99%.

Slovenia, 0.94%.

Spain, 0.91%.

Belgium, 0.85%.

Luxembourg, 0.44%.


https://www.businessinsider.com/nato-share-breakdown-country-2017-2?op=1
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Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@BizSuitStacy Okay, you just keep trippin' on the conspiracies then.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@ElwoodBlues In a way, I think you are the lucky one.
@IronHamster Yeah, we're not keen on mass shootings in Europe, thanks.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic Armed America is safer than London or Belgium.
22Michelle · 61-69, T
@IronHamster explain why that would improve anything?
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newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Reason10 There is no annual membership fee for NATO members. King Donald has you believing that it's some sort of country club. It isn't, and there are no bills to be paid.

King Donald openly and publicly tells you that he will support russian aggression, and you applaud??

He sounds like a mafia boss... Nice country you have there. Be a shame if anything happened to it.
@Reason10 Get your facts straight.

Russians dead when Stalin was in power is ≈10% of your figure.

The US population now is over 330 million, but Russia had under 200 million total...let's see...the 1939 census showed this

[quote]According to the official results, the total population of the USSR was found to be at 170,467,186.[/quote]

(See [i]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_Soviet_census[/i])

So, no, it wasn't even possible to lose 200 million people from the USSR starting in late 1939.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
No. NATO is saved by Trump. 100%.
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@JSul3 As any typical liberal you project so much on others that it's pointless to respond. This response alone is a high plateau on the mountain of pointlessness.
22Michelle · 61-69, T
@IronHamster Wow, you really are an example of peak Dunning Kruger!
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@22Michelle Oh. Really?! Hmmmm.
Elessar · 26-30, M
Guy is literally asking Russia to start WW3.
@Elessar Yes.
specman · 51-55, M
I don’t agree with Trump and his opinion on NATO . I do believe that all the countries should put the 2% into their defense budget. I think NATO is a good thing.
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@SevIsPamprinYouAlways Lying marxist rat.
SevIsPamprinYouAlways · 56-60, F
@Strictgram Nope. You’re both the liar, and the Russia-lover. You and your Reich-Wing ilk even had t-shirts to proclaim your true allegiance:


ETA: In addition to your hatred of the rule of law:

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Ontheroad · M
Nothing new, he is a traitor and and all around POS.
Someone has a finger in his ass*
Someone should use that clip to ask him why HE so frequently does NOT pay his [u]own[/u] bills!
JSul3 · 70-79
@Reason10 How many times has Trump filed for bankruptcy? How many times has he settled court cases? How much money has he taken from his cult members to pay his legal fees?

Now Laura Trump is calling for the RNC to give all their $$$ to Trump.
KunsanVeteran · 61-69, M
@JSul3 QI has already bankrupt the RNC
@Reason10

[quote]ALL his bills got paid, you moron.[/quote]

1) How do you know this?

2) I guess you haven't paid attention to a long line of craftsmen, lawyers, etc., whom he has stiffed.

3) And you should look up what "bankruptcy" means and how many times he's gone through it.

[quote]He may not pay billions in taxes like you think he should,[/quote]

I don't believe I have ever stated any opinion on his taxes.

But you might remember his pledge to get rid of an interest-related exception for the very rich which was removed from the tax bill passed under his Admin...boring, technical, and benefitted the very rich. Odd that this one big promise would not be in that bill...

[quote][b]but everything he has done in business has been 100 percent legitimate.[/b][/quote]

LMAO

1) How could you know this?

2)[b][c=BF0000] I guess you are unaware that his business was found guilty of fraud a long time ago, and *he* has been found guilty of it, as well.[/c][/b]

So, no.
meJess · F
He may be a lunatic but he has got a point and has some made European countries increase defence spending. If you buy insurance but don’t pay the premiums why do you think you are entitled to claim? It’s 2% of GDP or you are in breach of the NATO agreement, you want the cover? Pay the premiums.
meJess · F
@SomeMichGuy not a republican or a democrat. The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation has requirements. You don’t get article 5 unless you adhere to them. That’s called treaty obligations, and to renege on your obligations yet expect to receive treaty benefits is not appropriate.
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@meJess Trump's plan is in violation of the North Atlantic Treaty. Even a cursory inspection shows it violates

Preamble
Art 1
Art 2
Art 3

(See [i]https://www.nato.int/cps/en/SID-ECAE8DB0-F591EC88/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm[/i])

Assuming you are from the UK, that seems to be the only reason that you aren't a part of the US' Republican Party.
Northwest · M
Putin is a fucking paper tiger. The only person ever fooled by him was Trump.
@Northwest True. Kim Jong-Un isn't terribly smart, but he is smart enough to not start a war that would alienate North Korea from the entire world.
Though I do think at one point, Putin was really smart and strong. Maybe his health problems changed that.
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@Northwest 10K nukes makes Putin far from a paper tiger.
SouthernMissy · 31-35, F
That's nothing new. Trump has been on the side of Putin and Xi since he became president.
We should Remember CANADA is a nato Member,
so trump says Putin can have it??
@IronHamster his is a failed empire,, there is no interest in the welfare of Canada
and we would have had to intervene
IronHamster · 56-60, M
@SatyrService I think we should intervene and remove Castrudo from his dictatorial office.
@IronHamster unlike Russia/ Putin,
we tend not to invade for such purposes
i DID say[i] tend[/i], as Saddam certainty qualified,
but only after invading his neighbors..
I don't think there is any chance of that
and the leader of Canada has no apparent interest in overthrowing his own government
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
It's amazing that none of the other countries have assassinated the orange traitor yet. They must be really gutless.
@Diotrephes
Providing links because you have no argument. a current maga trend. It helps since you have no real evidence.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@SomeLikeItHot [quote]Providing links because you have no argument. a current maga trend. It helps since you have no real evidence.[/quote]

Work smarter, not harder.
@Diotrephes
Qanon strategies. 😌
Ozuye502 · 36-40, M
Being the only nato alliance member who is actuality pulling its own weight is Poland right now. The contributions of others should be 3% of gdp to defence most of nato is not coming close
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JSul3 · 70-79
@Reason10 Take your voter claim to a judge.

Putin invaded a sovereign nation. If you research, Putin has desired to reclaim lost lands after the Soviet Union collapsed. Today, your Orange Messiah Trump won't back NATO allies if Putin attacks them.

The $$$ to Iran was their money for weapons purchased that were never delivered by the leader of arms sales in the world....aka USA. You pay for something and don't receive it, you get your money back.
Reason10 · 61-69, M
@JSul3 [c=003BB2][b]The $$$ to Iran was their money for weapons purchased that were never delivered by the leader of arms sales in the world....aka USA. You pay for something and don't receive it, you get your money back.
[/b][/c]

That is a LIE. Period.
JSul3 · 70-79
@Reason10
President Barack Obama approved the $400 million transfer, which he had announced in January as part of the Iran nuclear deal. The money was flown into Iran on wooden pallets stacked with Swiss francs, euros and other currencies as the first installment of a $1.7 billion settlement resolving claims at an international tribunal at The Hague over a failed arms deal under the time of the Shah.
NATO throws life on earth and peace under the bus. American people are disdainfully ignoring everyone like me that might complain. So you roll into the next 9-11 not knowing what makes us hate. You.
@BohemianBoo so superior that they don't have to use words, American people are unsurvivable in glibness. As always.
Tres13 · 51-55, M
Yep,No more free lunch
jackieash · 26-30
"Pay what we want you to pay or else!" Is as much of an admission NATO is a multi national protection racket as anyone has admitted to.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@jackieash There are 31 member countries, even though nobody has to join, and all are free to leave at any time., yet countries continue to seek membership (everyone would like to see the russian oblast of hungary leave).

Overall, the murderous autocrat putin and the anti-democracy narcissist trump have been good for the alliance by bringing about increased membership and widespread commitment to greater funding.
jackieash · 26-30
@newjaninev2 There may be no actual obligation to join, but it's clear from Trump and his fans that if you're not in that club, if there anything by way of threat appearing, you're going to be left at that country's "tender" mercies. Sounds very much like a protection racket.
Subsumedpat · 36-40, M
So what should we do with allies who choose not to pay their bills? It was part of the deal, you promise a certian % of your GDP to defense.
Renaci · 36-40
@Subsumedpat What should the world do for the US almost defaulting on their bills every few months. It will happen if the right has their way after all. America should be thrown under the bus then according to your logic.
Subsumedpat · 36-40, M
@Renaci there is a difference between almost defaulting but not and defaulting on what you owe
Justenjoyit · 56-60, M
I live in Germany and belive me the Germans, French and a few other countries were just sitting there letting the US tax payer pay for their defence, Trump came along in 2016 and told them straight pay up and stop taking cheap Russian gas, what a turn around lol
Bumbles · 51-55, M
He’ll pull out of NATO after teasing and mocking it. It’s what America seems to want.
@Bumbles Stupid Americans *think* they want that because of the lies of Trump and those in his sphere.

A lot of the unrest we are seeing now in the world was seeded by Trump.

Removing us from NATO will cost us much more in the long run.

 
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