Alberta Premier Marlaina Smith plans to enact policies that will unavoidable HURT Trans kids while pretending to care about their protection.

@JimboSaturn

Well i think we are both in the privileged position of not actually knowing whether or not being routinely called by the wrong pronoun feels "silly". I'm sure once in a while is fine but maybe like Chinese water torture, the first few drops are no big deal but after a while it becomes quite mentally destructive.

And indeed part of the recognized treatment for people with gender dysphoria is honouring the gender with which they identify.


I mean, i don't doubt that people can overact or be unreasonable about it and maybe that's what happened in your case. I can understand how that would be very upsetting from a person you'd gone out of your way to take care of.

But when one doesn't look like the sex they identify with it could be confusing to others. But I get it and would call someone their preferred pronoun. @Pikachu I'm just saying some people will be uncomfortable with it. But isn't this referencing a seriously small percentage of the population? I personally don't know anyone who is trans.

@Spoiledbrat

[quote] But isn't this referencing a seriously small percentage of the population?[/quote]

It is indeed a small percentage of the population...which makes Marlaina Smith's attempt to turn this into legislation rather telling.
She doesn't care about trans kids, she wants to farm votes from ignorant, outraged and/or transphobic people.

@JimboSaturn and that to override the decisions of 22 people last year. "Sometimes that's necessary. We did that for the opioid crisis too." That affected hundreds of thousands. Who do you think you're fooling with that comparison?🤦🤦🤦 (Probably a whole lot of voters will be, sadly.)

@JimboSaturn

[quote]Plus obviously puberty blockers taken after puberty is not very helpful.[/quote]

Yeah i'd like to see her give the reasoning behind that one. We know she didn't consult any experts so i wonder how she justifies those mental gymnastics.

@NerdyPotato Pretty sure her response to the opioid crisis was the predictable reduce safe injection sites and keep treating it as a criminal issue instead of a health issue.

@NerdyPotato

lol yeah she's got the "Answer the question you wanted to be asked, not the one you were asked" strategy down very well.

[quote]act is that 16 years is too late, at the very least for puberty blockers. Puberty is irreversible,[/quote]

Right? That's a no brainer. It makes no sense to restrict puberty blockers until after puberty...or at least it makes no sense if she were being honest that these policies are meant to help Trans kids.

@Flenflyys

[quote] The answer to that question doesn’t matter when a crime has not yet occurred[/quote]

That's absurd. It's called prevention. It's the same reason we wear seatbelts instead of relying on EMTs to save out life after we go through the windshield.
If i asked you if we should be wearing seatbelts to prevent harm i'm certain you would not be ducking and dodging so much.

I'm going to ask you the question again and if you don't answer them then i'm afraid we'll have to wrap up there.
I don't hold much hope because i think you began with your conclusion before you even knew what the policies were and i know it's human nature to dig in one's heels when challenged. Nevertheless, here we go:

[i][b]Given the literature which shows that LGTB kids are abused at a higher rate than cis kids and given your training in public health, do you think this policy is likely to result in more or less abuse of trans kids by parents?[/b][/i]


[quote]f government over-involvment[/quote]


And once again, this policy removes the parent's ability to consent to treatments. Only for trans kids of course, not for cis kids.
Surely that's government over-involvement?
You seem to be missing the fact that the government is not currently over-involved, there is legislation being ADDED.

@Pikachu oh my god you’re a nut lol. Goodbye.

@Flenflyys

Sorry you feel that way. Goodbye✌️

@Spoiledbrat I generally agree with you. However, I'd think a child who would like to be addressed differently at school, would want to be at home too and tell their parents themselves. That is, unless they have good reason to believe their parents won't want anything to do with gender identity. That's the kind of parents who need a law to get involved by third parties. Supportive parents will be involved by the child itself without any law. This mostly affects parents who'll want to put a stop to it in one way or another. Why is that important?

@Spoiledbrat

I'm becoming frustrated with you because you continue to refuse to answer a direct question.
I agree that abusive parents can lose custody of their children, that is not the issue and it should be the goal to PREVENT abuse rather than punish it after the fact. The issue is that a policy that outs trans kids CANNOT AVOID INCREASING the number of kids who are abused

I understand the position you hold, but i ask you to show me that you're considering this subject in good faith by answering these questions. If you are not willing to answer the questions then please do not reply because any response that does not include a direct answer to these questions will be deleted.

[b][i]1) Would you rather prevent child abuse or punish it after the child had been abused?
2) Are you in favour of increasing the likelihood of abuse to trans kids?[/i][/b]

[quote]Teachers owe the parents a report card[/quote]

They do indeed...on their academic performance and even how they get along with other students and teachers. They do NOT owe parents an intelligence report on their children's every move or action.

[quote]Parents can't help their children if they don't know what's going on with them[/quote]

If your kid doesn't trust you then it is not the government's place to force them to confide in you.

@NerdyPotato

[quote]his mostly affects parents who'll want to put a stop to it in one way or another.[/quote]

Thank you. Yes.
Supportive parents whose children know they are in a safe place will eventually be confided in by their child in most cases.
Parents who are hateful or religiously motivated or whatever unsupportive scenario it may be are the one who want to know their kid is trans not so they can be supportive but so that they may put a stop to it.

@Pikachu

At least the electrical grid is hardened against frost.

And your southern border is not overrun with asylum seekers.

And you have free health care.

@JoyfulSilence

😆😂😭....sadly no. Our power grid almost crashed in -40 degree weather because two natural gas plants froze.

@Pikachu

Ouch!

Fortunately, it has stayed above -10 C here all winter.

It is 12 C here now! And sunny. And calm.

@Bumbles

According to section 7 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, all humans (including children) have a right to security.

Outing trans kids to potentially unsupportive parents will unavoidably result it kids being abused, punished, disowned or otherwise harmed which makes this policy a direct violation of that right.

If you are not in favour of increasing the number of kids who get abused, there is no reason to support this policy.