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Why are billion dollar sports stadiums being built with public money in US cities with the WORST housing affordability?



Photo above - San Francisco's Chase Center arena. Home to the Golden State warriors, and signature Hennessey V.S.O.P and Moet & Chandon cocktails (the Golden 75) . . . and the nation's worst home affordability index. Silicon Valley Tech Moguls with property tax breaks made it happen.

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Quick . .. where is America's MOST EXPENSIVEST sports stadium? Go to the head of the class if you know it's SoFi Stadium, in Los Angeles. Home of the Rams AND the Chargers. Completed in 2020. Cost? $5 Billion!!! WTH!!! That's $72,000 per seat!! How much of that was public money (tax credits, land grants, road improvements, utilities upgrades, etc)? Websites disagree, but they got a LOT! The stadium operators admit to $100 million in tax relief. Who knows what they DONT admit to? Los Angeles has the worst housing affordability index in America, except possibly for . . .

San Francisco, where the Chase Center – home to the Golden State Warriors - was completed in 2019. But the Warriors' Arena “only” cost $1.5 billion. Because it's a basketball court, it has fewer seats, then it should be cheaper, right? The construction cost per seat is even higher though – about $85,000 per. Oh, and they built the Levi's Stadium in SF (49ers) for $1.4 billion in 2014. Bet you couldn't build it for that today, after all the inflation, eh?

New York, New York . . . has the Barclays Center (Nets) and the Met Life Stadium (Giants and Jets, both losers), but technically that's on the NJ side of the river.

Oddly enough, even though Las Vegas built TWO giant stadiums in the past 5 years, neither of them were tagged by casinos for naming rights. Allegiant Stadium and T-Mobile Arena. But I'm not claiming that Las Vegas has the worst housing affordability problems. Land is flatter, cheaper, and less regulated near Vegas.

So . . . billions and billions for stadiums. Big public money involved. And people chillin' in tents on the sidewalks nearby. The rationale for public financing of sports venues is always the same: JOBS!! Yeah . . . um . . . food vendors? Janitors? Parking attendants? Security guys? Where do THEY live? 50 miles away, where someone has a prayer of getting a 2 bedroom walk up for less than $5,000 a month?

In some cases local politicians will remind us that a funding referendum was held. Or a public hearing during a city council meeting. Both special interest AND voter opinion was obtained. Nobody wants to see their local team pack up and leave due to having tacky, outdated skyboxes. Well, maybe the Giants and Jets, who ended up in NJ. But look how well most of the other teams are doing!

There is, of course, no guarantee that “stadium money” would have been used for affordable housing, even if rational decisions had been made on how to spend tax dollars. Politicians suffer from a crisis of confidence when it comes to public opinion. They routinely vie with personal injury lawyers, used car salesmen, and cable TV newscasters for dishonesty rankings.

Let's look at the bright side, though. Hot dog vendors at the Los Angeles SoFi stadium are getting the new $20 per hour minimum wage, as of January 1st. But do they work enough hours selling beer and hot dogs (or sushi – this is Los Angeles!) to make ends meet? I suspect some are working 2nd and 3rd gigs. Amazon picker, Uber, Door Dash, whatever. And the rest? They might be living in tents.

I'm just sayin' . . .
Matt85 · 36-40, M
they wanna bring in the tourists and reap the $$$
jehova · 31-35, M
@Matt85 bc anyone has money ?
beckyromero · 36-40, F
It really isn't about the tempororary construction jobs.

As Matt85 said, it's about the added tourism and helping to brand a city's image.

Many studies have said the added spending on sports by locals may be neglible, meaning families may have spent those dollars on other forms of local entertainment. So maybe those attending football games in Inglewood, California would have gone to Disneyland for a weekend instead. Or Universal Studios. Or gone to watch the Dodgers have another early post-season exit after a 100 win season.

But are those Missourians who lost another football team spending those dollars on football locally now?

Or maybe many of those Missouri football ticket-holders used the saved money and took trips to FLORIDA 😉 instead and boarded cruises, spending their dollars not in Missouri at all.

It's not all black and white.

But really, really loyal fans love not only their team but their ballpark, even if it opened during the Wilson administration. And old ballparks can be a tourist magnet of their own.

SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@beckyromero its demented for a politician to believe they can upgrade a city's "brand" by building a new stadium, while the streets are overflowing with homeless, and police can't respond to all the 911 calls . . .
Moneyonmymind · 31-35, M
@SusanInFlorida this 👆🏽
Stadiums promote business development in their vicinity, leading to tax revenue (at least, that’s the theory) so cities pay for them with that expectation.
@SusanInFlorida Trains make more sense for shorter trips, especially when you factor in the waiting time at the airport. As for passenger miles, flying is a lot safer than driving. For a country the size of the US, there should be a workable mix of options.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@LeopoldBloom commuters would probably say we are at that "workable mix". i'm not sure what 500 miles of new rail between San Francisco and Los Angeles is supposed to prove. Other than anything China does, we can do more expensively, and take longer at it?

nobody is going to commute between those two cities.

Joe Biden has a train station in Wilmington Delaware named after him. A train runs from there to Washington DC. There are no commuters for that 3 hour trip either. But as senator, Joe got the train station upgraded, and the renamed it after him.
@SusanInFlorida People don't commute between LA and SF? There are 40 million individual trips between those two cities annually. A train system might take some of the pressure off the airports.

As I said, you need a mix. Many cities still rely on commuting by car. One thing that impressed me about Washington DC, Portland, and the Bay Area was how easy it is to get around on public transportation. I haven't been to LA for 20 years, but when I lived there, you had to go everywhere either by car or on the shitty bus system they had. I understand that they've put in some urban rail since then, but I've also seen the ten-lane freeways full of cars, so it's clearly not adequate.

There are 116 flights between Wilmington and DC, so clearly there's some other reason why people don't want to take the train besides just lack of demand for that trip. Counting typical travel time to the airport on either end, boarding, and wait time, the 34 minute flight takes an average of 5 hours total end to end. There's travel, boarding, and wait time for trains, too, but not nearly as much. So the total travel time is probably similar for both.
easterniowegin · 51-55, M
Instead of trying to provide permanent housing or assistance, why not provide an up-skill training facility and an employment center?
Let ppl strive to be self-sufficient, not dependent adults.
@easterniowegin it's the law, that's why government must supply assistance.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@easterniowegin job training centers don't make housing more affordable. increasing the supply of housing does. and building those homes provides jobs.
Slade · 56-60, M
Stadiums are batting 1,000 (baseball metaphor) in being a net loss for public money. Build a $5billion stadium - all you are guaranteed is 1 Super Bowl (about 10 days of activity). Stadiums never pay for themselves

Every job related to it is part time or seasonal

This is one area where taxpayers usually say enough. Most stadiums are built by the billionaire owners with help from tax breaks etc

I was recently out your way. In the Bay area
jehova · 31-35, M
Spot on miss
Jimmy2016 · 61-69, M
🤔..........Why do the Team owners give athletes $200M - $350M contracts for just playing a game.........And the athlete always say it's a business, no it's not it's a game.........
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Jimmy2016 because there's so much money to be made from ticket sales, concession sales, broadcast rights, branded team gear sales . . .
Jimmy2016 · 61-69, M
@SusanInFlorida Yep. Broadcast rights is the main source for covering the operation cost of the teams........
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
Chicago white sox want a new stadium. Probably paid for by taxpayer money like the current stadium
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Patriot96

They need new PLAYERS. 🤣
RedBaron · M
Not “just sayin” so much as ranting about.
MethDozer · M
Praise Capitalism

 
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