Depopulation of Gaza.

@OliRos Sigh. Ad Hominem overload.

He's quoting factual documents and statements by Israeli govt ministers. There is a short speech by a UN official at the end. You'd know all that if you'd watched the vid.

@Burnley123 we all know the UN is biased. I wouldn't trust anything they say. On ANY matter. Actually , the UN is part of the problem.

@BridgeOvertroubledWaters The UN is biased against war crimes.

@OliRos You said exactly (more or less) what I would have said about Owen Jones.

@Burnley123 the UN is biased against Jews. Fact.
When the seceratry general (who's personal attitude towards Jews has been known before) blames Israel without saying one word about the Hamas massacre on 7/10 .... THAT'S biased

@Burnley123 You are correct, I did not watch the video because I have seen so much of OJ and his twisted anti western propaganda that I could not be arsed.

Very remiss of me, I admit, but sometimes, the messenger gets in the way of the message.

I would equally decide not to watch a video presented by, say, Douglas Murray or... fuck, what's his name? The Canadian psycho who thinks that he's a philosopher? Jordan Peterson.

@ArtieKat I'm less concerned whether people like him personally than I am about the evidence he presents.

Don't like him? Fine, cry me a river.

There is no convincing argument that depopulation of Gaza isn't active Israeli policy.

@BridgeOvertroubledWaters well poisoning isn't a valid debate tactic.

@basilfawlty89 Israel didn't poison wells. Who fantasy lies have you been listening to ??

It's amazing that whenever happens in the Middle East , all of the little Anti semites and Jew haters crawl out their holes.

@OliRos "His evidence must be wrong because I don't like him."

I don't like Peterson or Murray but if I'm going to comment on a post about them I would come up with an actual reason.

Suit yourself. 🫤

@Burnley123 He's a very bright (and exceedingly annoying) sixth-former in the School Debating Society whose views (and assembled evidence) don't translate to the real world - a bit like every other rabid Socialist.

@ArtieKat He's about 39 fyi.

Play the man, not the ball...

@BridgeOvertroubledWaters no one said they physically poisoned wells. Well poisoning means in debate to attack the source based on ad hominems without checking the veracity of their claim. This is a form of logical fallacy.

@basilfawlty89 poisoning wells sounds like the good ole blood libels of Jews making Matza for Passover with blood of non Jewish children , which unfortunately many Jews "paid" for with their lives.

@BridgeOvertroubledWaters i wasn't using blood libel or any Antisemitic term or trope it's literally the name of the logical fallacy.

@Burnley123 Oh, come on! Read what I wrote!

I did not say anything about the evidence. I freely admit not even considering the evidence.

My visceral reaction to OJ and his ilk, DM and JP, plus the deep dyed apologists for both sides (I nearly wrote "philosophies" until I remember that that usual involves thinking) is based on observation of their performative arts. Truth is nothing to them, and so their curation of any collection of video extracts is suspect.

They all have agendas, and unbiased reportage is not an item.

From what I have observed of your other posts, I think you are better than this.

I am prepared to be disappointed.

@OliRos If you won't watch my video, I won't read what you wrote! 😜

@OliRos he got talked over by some old woman because of his pro Palestinian views. Hed have been killed by stalin

@Burnley123 That's fair, though I expect you are missing more than I am.

@Guitarman123 That makes a change. He is an expert in talking over other people.

I would not agree with killing him.

@Burnley123 Even you must know that proving a negative is impossible.

Is there evidence that depopulating Gaza is Israeli policy? Genuine question, I don't know the answer. And I suspect neither do you.

And that doesn't mean that Israeli policy won't result in a severe reduction of the Gaza population, through death or displacement.

@ArtieKat @Burnley123 In this case, the man is the ball!

Remember your Marshall McLuhan - the medium is the message.

@OliRos There is no on the record govt minister saying that this is active government policy and obviously, they are denying it. Western politicians can't support a regime openly committing genocide.

The evidence outlined in OJ's video illustrates that depopulation has been discussed at a high level. Several of the more radical (or less disciplined) MK's have said things in favour of it. Not in OJ's vid is that a govt minister yesterday said they have discussed using nukes. I'm not kidding. Bibi and others. reigned him in after he said it.

This, coupled with aspects of the 'advisory' plan actually being carried out. This includes.

1) Telling northern Gazans to move to the south (the part closest to Egypt).
2) starving the city, something that makes Gaza an insufferable place to stay.
3) media and diplomatic pressure put on Egypt to take refugees.
4) The planned invasion of all of Gaza.

All this has been acted on and is in the leaked doc.

Add also, that the Zionist project for years has desired a Jewish only state. Also, if you see all Palestinians as Hamas complicit, then they only way of actually stopping Hamas would be to depopulate Gaza. The cost of creating two million refugees and killing hundreds of thousands would only worry them if they cared about Palestinian lives.

So, all things considered, I can't see how depopulation is not Israel's plan. I can't see what else this could be.

@OliRos I find Owen's style irritating and preachy, even though I agree with him on most things and my politics are similar.

If he was someone who was seriously dishonest then you could say that this compromises his message. He isn't.

I find it frustrating that a lot of centrists see themselves as above political ideology. By extension of this logic, anyone too far on one 'side' has an ideological opinion and not a factual one.

People ideas need to be tested by looking at evidence and evaluating where the truth lies. Anyone with coherent politics has a perspective (a world view with interlocking parts) . Even centrists do, though what is seen as the political centre is different in different places and changes over time.

So no, I reject the idea that Owen must be wrong because he is 'too left's wing," or because "You don't like the cut of his jib"

@OliRos he really isnt a bully