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You claim to be pro-Palestenian but don't support Hamas. Yet you're supportive of a girl who doesn't see Hamas as terrorists?

I saw people who claimed they were totally against what Hamas did on Oct 7 be supportive of a girl who doesn't call Hamas a terrorist. They were loquacious arguing with others, yet silent on this matter.


"littlelia · 18-21, F
@sascha hamas aren’t terrorist they’re a resistance group."

https://similarworlds.com/countries/palestine/4858114-Free-Palestine-My-heart-truly-goes-out-to-those-experiencing

I can see them marching with Palestinian flags. Would they march alongside someone with Hamas flags? Would they march alongside someone with a sign "death to a Jew"?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Very brave of you to dunk down on a teenage girl in a call-out post.

[quote]Would they march alongside someone with a sign "death to a Jew"?[/quote]

No. This is a cowardly and pathetic strawman.

[quote] hamas aren’t terrorist they’re a resistance group[/quote]

I don't agree with that at all and pro-Palestinian people shouldn't have anything to do with a group that has targeted civilians.

I can't see where your moral high ground comes from though. Not when the people you support have killed ten thousand civilians. And with tens of thousands more to come.

I don't support Hamas. I condemned their actions and will condemn them again. I also condemn the IDF for bombing hospitals and refugee camps. Also, the Israeli government, for attempting to starve two million people.

Please explain to me how that is not terrorism.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 I'm looking for a counter at the source but okay that's irrelevant to me now.

Tell me you can see it, please
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand

Thank you for asking. I think I was wrong about you on a personal level and I want to apologise for being a smart arse. I respect that you are prepared to listen to my reasoning, so here you go:

Firstly, I take the principle that all lives matter equally. Throughout the history of this conflict (and especially now), a lot more Palestinians have died than Israelis. I don't see violence done by a state as more or less ethical - of itself - than violence done by paramilitaries.

Even if we take at face value that Israel is primarily concerned with security, they are killing ten to a hundred people to protect every Israeli life. The most powerful party does not want a ceasefire and a lot more will die, almost all of them on one side.

When mainstream politicians say "Israel has the right to defend itself," that sounds reasonable at face value. I think that Israel has a right to defend itself. What Israel is actually doing is attacking. They are bombing civilian areas and cutting off food and power to a city of two million people. So the narrative that Israel is defending itself is dangerously disingenuous. Those words of our leaders give diplomatic cover for the Israelis to kill scores of thousands of people.

Also, the language that Hamas is using human shields is dangerous because it blurs the line between civilians and combatants. If you are a Palestinian family and a Hamas unit moves into the next street, you don't really have control of that situation. Then an Israeli air strike wipes out fifty people and their government goes on TV telling the world that you and your dead family were human shields.

When ordinary people repeat these narratives, they do not usually realise what these words are giving cover to. This rhetoric gives an excuse for the mass death of ordinary people, most of them from Muslim families who are already living in awful third-world conditions. Bomb the ghetto and watch it burn, in the name of defence.

When the girl called out by the OP called Hamas "freedom fighters," she is probably doing so because of this and because she thinks that Hamas is the only active military force resisting an apartheid-style military occupation imposed on her Muslim brothers and sisters. She is not saying that because she wants to kill Jews.

However, IMO she is wrong to defend Hamas because one of their strategies is to kill Israeli civilians. The young people killed at the festival and the kibbutz residents are people, with lives hopes and dreams as much as the Gaza residents. They did not deserve to die.

So she [b]is [/b]wrong about that but no more wrong than all of the people who are (however unwittingly) giving cover for a brutal military force that is currently laying waste to an impoverished city.
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Ducky · 31-35, F
You should refrain from calling people out on posts like this. It’s against the TOS and you’re no admin’s pet to where they’ll give you a pass for doing so. That and it’s just stupid anyway. You’re a frickin’ middle-aged man calling out someone who’s probably young enough to be your kid, and for what?
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Ryannnnnn · 31-35, M
@Max312 you're talking about a kid who doesn't know much because they're 18.
Go outside
Shame on you to call her out by username!!!

You're double her age - yet you're acting like you're half her age.
sascha · F
@HootyTheNightOwl Does this mean that other children should bully children?

Since when were the ages of 18-21 non-adult? For most purposes, an 18 year old is considered an adult. She may be 19, 20, or 21.

Apparently, our brains don't stop developing until age 25. That means I (granted, I am not the OP) can call her what I want, as my brain is still developing.
@sascha Children bullying children is not much better - but, the general idea is that children don't have the maturity to understand what bullying is or that saying things like this is bullying.

Most 18 year olds are still attending school - school attendees are called "School[b]children[/b]... so 18 year old schoolchildren are still children.

Oddly enough, your age is not shown - so how do I know that you aren't 11 or 75??? One thing is for sure, though... if you're calling out other members by username, I guarantee that I'm going to report you for breaking the terms of the site - and if your age range is set at double (or more) the age of the child you're bullying, then I will call you out. Your brain is supposed to be mature enough to know by then that you shouldn't be bullying children... go pick on an adult instead.

Perhaps most strangely, I notice that out of everyone who told OP not to bully children... I'm the only one you picked out???
sascha · F
@HootyTheNightOwl 18 year olds are not children in the U.S, which is why they can join the army, consent to sex, or get married. In Europe, it is not compulsory or necessarily expected to stay in high school after age 16. Many people leave school at this age, and work or go to a community college.

Why would you report someone for using another person's username in their post? Do users not frequently violate site rules?

Is it his cause that is the problem?

You continue to insist that he is bullying a child, but he is not. The user in question is an 18-21 year old woman who has called Hamas a "resistance group", and even repeated the disproven and horrible lie that one of the babies burned to death by Hamas was a dog. This baby was a human infant who was tortured and murdered by Hamas psychopaths. There were other babies burned.

[quote]Perhaps most strangely, I notice that out of everyone who told OP not to bully children... I'm the only one you picked out???[/quote]

Why not?
sascha · F
She/it claimed the charred remains of one of the poor babies who Hamas tortured and murdered, was a dog. Clearly, a liar who should be told she is that and then ignored.

Why are people defending her because of her age? It used to be the case that if you were a teenager, no one took you seriously. At least three people on this site seem to think that being a teenager, means you should be immune to criticism.

Are all liberals this disingenuous? What is wrong with them?

Introduce an 18-21 year old right-wing, pro-Israel, pro [i]anything[/i] that they are against, and see how they react.
SW-User
"Why don't you condemn" posts are inherently bait and playing someone else's game.
@SW-User Why do that??? It's much easier to just bully children instead... and steal candy from babies...
There is that old adage that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
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Steve42 · 56-60, M
I'm Pro Israel. What did they expect to happen? All those people shouting Alah Akabar when they were killing Non combatant Israelites. All those people allowing Hamas to live near them and digging the tunnels and perpetrating the attacks. What did they expect? They are reaping what they have sewn.
Puppycat23 · F
Once someone says a terrorist group is a “resistance group”, they’ve lost all credibility and there’s no need to continue talking/replying to them. Resistance groups attack military not civilians.
Ryannnnnn · 31-35, M
well done you publicly called out an 18 year old 🤷
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They love lies .. thats why.. they are full of ****
You'll notice I called her out and she refused to listen to reason, she's also a lesbian, which means Hamas would execute her by beheading without a second thought.

 
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