Ethnic cleansing is going on in the West Bank.

@sascha that territory is where israel forcibly evacuated hundreds and thousands of Palestinians and murdered many others

@Guitarman123 Does your historical knowledge extend to why they did that?

@LeopoldBloom they were told by the united nations to share the lands with Palestine but jews believe that land was promised to them by god

@Guitarman123 If this were a truth, it is not justification for the premeditated and sadistic destruction of a civilian population.

It is a lie, and remains not a justification. Only pure evil can bring a person to torture and murder babies, their parents, and the elderly.

You claim to support concepts around helping people as a collective. The kibbutzim in Israel were founded by people who cherished the idea of living for, and by, each other. They worked hard to establish their own paradise, and they love every person who lives in them, and every person who comes to them.

For some living in southern Israel, their story is now a tragic one. Villages have been annihilated.

I don't think you understand how devastating this is. The ICC should be sending out warrants for the arrest of every Hamas leader and operative. The world should be talking about the destruction of pure, innocent life and the brutal genocide that took place.

Instead, they are engaging in moral posturing, race baiting, and perpetuating false claims of ethnic cleansing, absurd propaganda, and false moral equivalence. Sickening.

@sascha israel has been occupying civilians of Palestine for decades in horrendous conditions amd treat them like animals with absolutely no rhythme or reason other than the beliefs that the land is theirs thanks to god. Don't support hamas and to attempt to create such an illusion is fucking stupid. I support the freedom and independence of the Palestinian people

@sascha The beheading babies claim is not evidenced at all. At this point, more Palestinians have died. That was even before the entirely defensive and non sadistic measure of bombing a hospital.

You haven't read the article or responded to any of the claims. It's not self-defense, it's domination.

My point of this article, is that Israel cannot possible claim that this is just about security or revenge on Hamas when all Palestinians are facing a collective punishment.

@sascha you're supporting an apartheid regime

@Burnley123 Not that even the claim is unverified. Let's just say the beheading of babies is true. What makes that any worse than blowing them up with rockets? That is what I would like to know.

@Ozymandiaz I guess it's a graphic image. It sounds like the worst crime imaginable.it also plays into orientalist stereotypes of people in the third world as being savages. If they are seen as evil then killing them is justified.

Is Hamas behead babies and all Palestinians are Hamas, then it seems morally justified to kill all Palestinians.

Pointing out that Israel kills more is a valid point to highlight hypocrisy but it makes no difference to Sascha because she doesn't consider Palestinians as people. Casualties, yes, but not people.

@Guitarman123 You don't know what apartheid means.

@Ozymandiaz Israel is engaging in accepted norms. It is normal to have missiles to defend your country, and it is normal to use those missiles when your country is attacked. If you don't believe it is, I suggest you start lobbying for all countries to get rid of their missiles. Why don't you do that? All missiles are bound to harm civilians in some way.

Israel's government has not entered people's properties and beheaded babies, or set them on fire, or shot them in the face. There is no moral equivalence.

Why is it you deny these reports, yet you believe everything being reported in Gaza? Is there a reason for that? Why is the witness testimony of IDF soldiers, and photos, not enough to convince you that babies and their families were brutalized in the villages? Why deny this genocide?

@Burnley123 Apparently, you are not aware of the difference between killing and murder.

@sascha thats what israel is doing to Palestine.

@sascha even israel government has said it cant confirm about the beheadings

@sascha Bombing a hospital is murder. So are the things in my article that you didn't read. starving a population of two million isn't murder. It's genocide.

'Accepted norms?'. The war crimes committed by the IDF are staggering and keep mounting up. Collective punishment is a war crime and you've persistently defended Israel's right to do this limitlessly.

Again, the beheaded baby claim is something that you (and others) gave repeated many times but is not evidenced. Even the IDF refused to confirm the claim's veracity.

@Guitarman123 You are laughable.

Are you calling the IDF soldiers who arrived in Kfar Aza liars? Is that it? I don't know why the claim has not been verified yet, but the soldiers who went to collect bodies in the community of Kfar Aza said that some babies had their heads cut off. They said this at the time, while they were there, and no one has retracted it. One would assume that those who had the horrendous task of collecting those murdered by Hamas would know what state their bodies were in.

What about the other atrocities? Like the babies who they burned? And shot? I want you to read these questions and answer them.

@Burnley123

The use of missiles is acceptable in war, and that is why they exist. If there was a unanimous view that they were not acceptable, they would cease to exist. I would say that not entering another territory and murdering its civilian population is a way to avoid your own population from being bombed or impacted by missile strikes.

As for the hospital, this has not been proven. Multiple sources, including the U.S government, said that Hamas is responsible.

I thought you required evidence that is verifiable?

Imagine if you two actually did have positions of power. I am so glad you don't. It is concerning that what you perceive to be "collective punishment", driven by ignorance, race baiting, and political affiliation, is to be emphasized over the massacre that took place in southern Israel. The former is ambiguous, less obvious, more complex, while the latter strikes you as horrific and unparalleled within the second you think about it. That is, if you are normal.

How strange you people are.

@sascha The beheading babies stuff is bs and you know it is. If you want to be taken seriously then cut it out.

@sascha what about all the Palestinian kids who've israel have killed? Why you ignoring all the atrocities that israel has committed over the decades? If israel state can't confirm the beheading of children then its likely fearmongering

@sascha if you're claiming to care about children then surely Palestinian kids are just as important

@Guitarman123 Yes, they are. Palestinian children are very important, and I would like them to be governed by a neutral body that ensures these crimes and crimes like them will never happen again. I would like violent and uncompromising Arab nationalism to dissipate, and for Israel to stop building settlements where Palestinians live. I would also like Jews in the West Bank to not attack Palestinians. Ideally, Jerusalem should be shared.

And, I would like you to say that what Hamas did to those babies and their families is abhorrent and despicable.

I don't think IDF soldiers in Kfar Aza have any reason to use fearmongering. They are normal people in their 20s and 30s, who had been given the unexpected and shocking task of cleaning up the bodies of people murdered by Hamas. Some of them were sympathetic with the Palestinian cause. They are less so now.

@RodionRomanovitch Do you have definitive proof of it being "BS"? Where is your evidence? Why would the soldiers who collected the bodies of these babies lie? What would be their motivations for lying? Why would they lie specifically about beheadings? Do you think they went there and all agreed to falsely claim that babies had their throats slit and heads cut off? Was it agreed beforehand? At what point did they decide to lie about this?

Why the conspiracy?

What do you think about the babies who were set on fire and shot? Is this not also evil?

@Guitarman123 I think it's a fair comparison when you refer to the Palestinians as being in an apartheid state. I don't understand why people don't see it that way.

@sascha kidnapping people and killing innocent men, women and children is an appalling act. I in no way support hamas amd made that more than clear. I support freedom of the Palestinian people who have been suffering for decades while their oppressors actions are defended. Its simple, to spread hatred towards the Palestinian people and increase islamophoabia

@caesar7 they don't want to see it that way

@RodionRomanovitch These Hamas guys are actually real gentlemen.

@sascha That is just like American launching attacks on Canada in response for Mexican attacks on Texas

@firefall No. It is like communities being savagely violated and murdered, and their government raiding the area the savages govern.

I think we need to understand which party is most responsible, instead of trying to obscure who is blameworthy. Civilians shouldn't be killed. Children shouldn't die. You haven't experienced what Israel has. People cannot draw impossible moral equivalence, or ignore the pain and loss that has been inflicted on innocents.

Those living in these communities were good people, and their story deserves to be told. I will tell it every time I see a post like this, or someone responds to my comments in a way that denies or overlooks what happened to them.

@sascha Unquestionably, Hamas is most to blame. WHat has that got to do with the West Bank? Are you saying all Arabs should be murdered because of the homicides of Hamas?