Are our government's complicit in a coming genocide?

I really want to be wrong but I fear that I am not.

I started off predicting that tens of thousands would die in Gaza. I really hate to say that but think it will be in the hundreds of thousands. All the signs are that Israel is trying to make Gaza so insufferable that nobody who stays can survive. They want Egypt to open its border and the longer it doesn't, they will try and blame them for the deaths.

The Palestinians have the name 'Nakba' (I believe it means catastrophe in English) for when 700,000 were forced to leave their homes and move to the fringes of Israel in 1948. They are already referring to this as the second Nakba.

The IDF is trying to destroy Hamas but their method for doing so is to eradicate (by death or relocation) all the Palestinians from the Gaza Strip. Everything points to this. The decision to tell Palestinians to leave the northern half of Gaza, the diplomatic pressure on Egypt, and the dehumanising language that regards all Palestinians as enemy combatants. The cutting off of all power and food. The Zionist project has wanted a Jewish-only state for some time and they are using the attack by Hamas as an excuse to do just that. Unless Western governments stop them, I think that this will happen.

Hamas deserve condemnation for their disgusting attack on Israeli civilians, however, this is not a case of both sides being the same. You can simultaneously condemn the Hamas attack and also stand against a tragedy that is literally two orders of magnitude greater. I can hate Saddam Hussain and also disagree with the invasion of Iraq.

Is violence committed by a Western-backed state more morally acceptable than what Hamas did? Do we really value all lives the same?

I'm going to bed now but I will probably reply tomorrow.

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GlitterEater · 36-40, F

The US sent another carrier strike group to ensure the rest of the world can do nothing but watch in horror. So fucking gross.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@GlitterEater The rest of the world wasnt going to do anything other than cry on the sidelines. No one wants more Palestinians on their land, and one one will take on Israel to defend them. More importantly, no one wants a single Hamas operator on their land. In my view the Israelis have calculated it is worth the bad press of destroying the Palestinians and displacing them all to get rid of Hamas once and for all..😷

GlitterEater · 36-40, F

@whowasthatmaskedman You don't think Egypt and Iran would attack Israel if it wasn't for the US?

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@GlitterEater Actually No.. Israel has the nuclear option and if threatened they would take it in a heartbeat. Iran would be back in the stone age in an hour and Egypt would lose the Aswan dam as a slap on the wrist and call time..😷

GlitterEater · 36-40, F

@whowasthatmaskedman Not sure how far back we want to go with this no US thing, but Israel wouldn't have nuclear weapons without the US. But given the circumstances right now with respect to arms, I still don't think Israel has enough teeth to scare them off without US support.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@GlitterEater Lets hope neither of us finds out....This is not going to end well. The US putting its oar in the water anything more than diplomatically is only going to make it a bigger conflict.. And its going to be a disaster as it is...😷

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@whowasthatmaskedman Honestly the nukes are more status symbols. If Bibi intended to use them the US probably would stop them or bomb them. The US knows any nuclear exchange is game over for everyone.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow See their we disagree. I see Israel as Americas get out of jail free card in the Middle East. If Iran "goes too far" it wont be America that takes them out. It will be Israel, giving the US plausable deniability. And thats why America wont force Israel off the field now..If Israel quits they will get everything they want from Hamas first..😷

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@whowasthatmaskedman Well first off it seems the claim Iran was behind this latest fight is looking more and more to be bullshit.

And even if that were true it would be conventional weapons. There is no scenario where a nuclear exchange ends at Iran or anywhere else for that matter.

And Bibi and the US government are alot of things but suicidal is not one of them.

Furthermore DOD has openly stated even a conventional war with Iran would be a nightmare scenario and best case scenario would be another 20 year long stalemate. So most of the posturing is just that, posturing.

What is more worrying is Biden effectively has ordered the US State Department to pour gasoline on the fire and has specifically forbidden them from de-escalating.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I am sure there is a connection. But money passes between so many groups I am guessing, the Saudis and Yemen also dropped some coins in the cup...But there is plenty of hate to go around..😷