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Are Democrats right about Government control?

I'm starting to think that in 1, maybe 2, generations the majority of the population will
be OK with being told what to do, as long as they are provided basic needs, like Food,
housing, and health care. I think many people will give up, and give in, to the government
control, that many of us are fighting against. As a baby boomer, I have never received
unemployment, food stamps, or anything else I didn't work for. I believe the majority of
kids in school now, that don't have parents that help them, will be dumbed down to the
point of letting the Government control their lives, much like China.
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BlueVeins · 22-25
Both sides of the American political spectrum are in favor of government control of commodities, the difference is that the Republicans want the government to enforce property rights for the rich and do nothing for the poor, while the Democrats also want to enforce property rights for the rich but grant the poor some necessities. It's not statists vs anarchists, it's people who want more hierarchy vs people who want less.
SamInAZ · 41-45, M
@BlueVeins not grant...take by force from the working class & rich people that dont agree with their politics to redistribute to the junkies & thugs & their rich friends. The Democrats are a mob outfit...nice try at making sound noble though. 😆
BlueVeins · 22-25
@SamInAZ Everything the government does is by force. If I want to be fair and balanced, I'd say that the Republicans want to forcibly distribute more resources to the rich and the Democrats want to forcibly distribute more resources to the poor. Pacifism is a shitty philosophy and there's a reason why nobody takes it seriously.
They keep testing us with things like COVID shutdowns, 15 minute cities, the climate hoax, restrictions on speech, etc. People are waking up to the bs, forcing the deep state to accelerate the agenda. This is only going to get crazier over the next couple of years.
@justanothername You all got slammed, as did Las Vegas.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@NativePortlander1970 And California as I understand.
@justanothername I thought you were already referring to Southern California and Baja.
Handfull1 · 61-69, F
You’re incredibly lucky you’ve never needed any assistance!
trollslayer · 46-50, M
20 years ago I would have posted the same thing. But the economy and the world is a different place now, and it's not that they are OK, it is that an increasing population in a world that is not getting any bigger dictates this. When you were in your 20s, you could get a stable job in manufacturing and support a wife and 3 kids and a single family house. Now, in many places for a person with a median income, rent/mortgage alone would eat up more than half of their pay - and they have little control over that. Wages for middle class workers simply have not kept up with the cost of living increases. Not even close. It's not that they want to be reliant on the governement, it is that the cannot survive if the government does not provide some checks on the greedy (housing costs have little to do with demand from occupants, they are due to demand from investors). From a personal standpoint as a white male, I directly benefited from redline and school bussing programs in the 1970s, which exponentially increased the value of my parents' house, turning us from a family struggling to pay bills to one that could now afford property in a wealthy neighborhood. My dad retired a millionare not from salary earnings, but from increases in property value arising from racist housing policies from the 1970s.
Persephonee · 22-25, F
Well if you don't want street lights, police, healthcare (yes even in the US) firemen, paved roads, a navy, an even vaguely educated population, safe (if not healthy) food, protected resources, and the ability to enforce property rights without killing someone, you don't need government control.

Otherwise, get used to it because it's called living in a civil society.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Persephonee Those things come from the taxes I have been paying for over 50 years.

What happens when the government tells you that you can't live where you want? You can't travel where you want?
You can't work where you want?
This the control China has over most of it's population. Once they take over they will send the low skilled American kids that were pushed through school without passing grades, to the Chinese factory's, while the educated Chinese kids will take their place in the U.S.
Persephonee · 22-25, F
@DogMan What makes you think the US government is remotely capable (never mind being inclined) of doing that? I'd be much more worried of unregulated technology corporations arrogating to themselves that power and the government being incapable (or un-inclined) of stopping them!
DogMan · 61-69, M
@Persephonee I'm talking about when China takes over in a couple generations.
It will be around the same time a Gen Z kid is put in the White House. 20-30 years.
I will be very old, but still alive.
With all due respect, I think you're oversimplifying things by implying that this is a Democrat issue. Republicans have, at least until recently, participated, along with Democrats, in the debate and compromised about the extent of the proper role of Government with regard to providing services to the governed in exchange for their consent.

It may sound odd, but without rational and at least moderately well intentioned public servants talking sincerely and being willing to compromise and actively find common ground, I think our country will deteriorate and get worse. Democrats haven't historically been angels for sure, but I worry that the let's burn down the house Republican crowd's increasing influence will also encourage more of the same from those wanting to burn it down from the left as well as the right.
DogMan · 61-69, M
Has anyone watched any of the Man-in-the-street You Tube videos of people asking
Gen Z folks basic questions? If you do, you will see the future of our country, and you
will see why China, or just about any country, will be able to take us over.

There are hundreds of these videos. They are funny and sad at the same time.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@trollslayer True, but it gets worse with them.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@DogMan I wouldn't say worse, I would say different. GenZ are ignorant on very basic things that older folks learned in primary school, but the big thing is they don't know, don't claim to know, and don't care. Older folks are just as wrong about basic things, but they are "high school" level basic things, but the main difference is that they are convinced in their wrong answer.
@DogMan I’ve seen them.
PDXNative1986 · 36-40, MVIP
Honestly it depends on what they're asking me to do DogMan, if its get my shots or mask up those are things I planned to do anyway. We're on top of hounding our doctors for the next round of boosters. By we, I mean my whole family.

I didn't join the military because I know I would question my orders. I'm not very good at being bossed around, but you know what?

It does depend on what my government and the medical community are asking from me. Gettiing vaccinated wasn't a big deal, although some dumbfucks said we'd be dead by now. Well invictus maneo.

I think the part that pisses me off the most about the reactions to my left wing beliefs is people think the schools brainwashed me into thinking this way and it's like I guess my teachers were largely of the left but what makes you think that I don't feel free to question what they taught me and reject their politics if I wanted to? I have freedom and am a free thinker, I just agree with what was taught.
Looks like it- I hate this new Authoritarianism.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic Kids are growing up with everything they want, and they
sacrifice nothing, then they grow up and it stops. They are then told that it is someone
elses fault, usually Republicans, of course. If not Trump himself.
@DogMan TBF they do not have everything they want- namely housing.
It's actually the opposite. The more people's material needs are met, the more freedom they demand. That's why the freest countries in the world are Social Democracies. And of course, here in America, it's the Republicans that are banning books and trying to ban gender affirming care, even for adults.
4meAndyou · F
I think we can only examine ourselves, and our own reactions to government control. If we are passive, and do nothing, then the fall of our nation is sure to follow.
A nation of sheep. Hopefully, I don't live long enough to see that come to pass.
You're a baby boomer. Did you somehow work for the GI Bill, or do you honestly think you didn't benefit from it?

😉
As a baby boomer, I have never received unemployment, food stamps, or anything else I didn't work for.
(Emphasis added.)

Bullshit.

In the US, we have each benefitted from all sorts of things for which we didn't work.
@SomeMichGuy .. Please explain. What are you referring to here?
@Stillwaiting Besides the more obvious--you happened to be born into a country which you didn't create, with Constitution and laws you didn't write, etc.--you benefitted from

roads, bridges built before you paid a dime of taxes

electricity, phone, radio, television infrastructure built with OPM

food safety & inspection standards, drug testing and safety standards, basic trade standards, workplace safety standards, air and water quality standards, auto and ship and airline safety, etc., which you didn't create and before you paid anything for it

housing and other codes you didn't develop or pay for

etc., etc., etc.
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DogMan · 61-69, M
@jshm2 I'm not sure who you are talking to, but I grew up with nothing, and I am leaving far
more than most, and since we don't have kids, it will be left to animal foundations. My wife
and I have been volunteering for the past 30 years, helping animals and less fortunate people.
We both started businesses from scratch, using risk and hard work.

Compassionate Conservatism is a real thing.
This has been going on for the past 30 years, and you're just now taking notice? 🤦‍♀️🙄

 
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