I'm a white liberal and I don't hate my own race.

@JPWhoo inmuthafuckingdeed

@JPWhoo Even if that was true, that's not their fault. China has Han Supremacy. Is that the fault of the working-class Han Chinese farmers who are just trying to make a living?

@BohemianBoo It doesn’t matter if it’s their fault or not, they’re benefiting because they inherited stolen land, goods, and power from their ancestors.

@JPWhoo All land is stolen. And does it really make sense to hate someone because of what their ancestors did?

@BohemianBoo If “all land is stolen” then I hope you don’t care who squats on your property.

I’m not talking about hating anyone. I’m talking about correcting systemic injustices.

@JPWhoo Bruh, be real. You know I mean that if you go back far enough, all land was stolen from someone. Of course today it should be illegal to steal land.

Yeah, the OP clearly believes that too. It's just saying he doesn't have white guilt or hate white people.

@BohemianBoo So all that matters is who stole the land last when the music stopped? At what specific point in time did it suddenly become wrong to steal land?

That’s a straw man argument. Virtually nobody has white guilt or hates their own race. He’s framing correcting historical injustices as “hating white people”.

@JPWhoo It was always wrong, but it doesn't make sense to single out America as "stolen land" because it was stolen way back when people regularly stole land from each other all the time.

That's absolutely not true. Anti-white racism is so common that it's become normalized in America. Just look at how you reacted to an OP that basically said racism and discrimination are wrong, but I don't have white guilt. That alone was enough to trigger you. And I don't even blame you. You grew up in a country with lots of racism against white people.

@BohemianBoo What about the descendants of people whose land got stolen? They didn’t inherit any land, or they inherited shittier land. Where are they supposed to live?

I didn’t say there was no anti-white racism, I said nobody hates their own race. At the moment, whites are still the majority in the US, and even though that will soon change they’ll still have a plurality for a long, long time; however, more importantly, and this is the part you’re either missing or obscuring, the white race is still the dominant race in America, based on money, power, influence, and best average standard of living.

Normally your comments are sensible, but tonight you sound like you’ve been sucked into the white grievance entertainment complex.

@JPWhoo
If we're talking about cases where this recently happened, I think there should be some kind of reparations. Like if your parents' house was stolen and destroyed, sure, the government should give you reparations. But when people say "America is stolen land" they're talking about something that happened over a hundred years ago.


You can accept that there's anti-white racism, but not white self-hatred? You really don't think white guilt is a thing?


So this misses two important points. First, people can be part of the majority and still have racial self-hatred.
Secondly, the white race doesn't operate as a single unit. There are some white people who dominate the country, but people are individuals. The vast majority of white Americans are working-class, and being white doesn't earn them any sympathy with the rich Capitalists in the 1%.


I've always said one of the broken clock moments for the Right is that most racism in America is against white people.
However, I know that right-wing politicians don't actually care, they're just saying that in order to appear sympathetic as they cut social security.

@JPWhoo I don't know where you hang out, but I know lots of people who do!

@JPWhoo

@BritishFailedAesthetic Troll harder

@ElwoodBlues I'm on £28,000.00 BEFORE taxes and have got no pay rise with rising inflation, where is my imaginary privelege?

@BritishFailedAesthetic

In Ellie's woke imagination. 🙄

@Thinkerbell Can you define "Woke"?

I think it's really revealing to see how conservatives define 'Woke' when they're under oath:

@ElwoodBlues

Your meme doesn't tell the whole story, as usual.

"Woke" in the political sense originally was coined to describe awareness of genuine social social injustices.

But a second definition of 'woke' has arisen, thanks to the extreme and ridiculous practitioners of 'wokeism.' And they brought it on themselves, such as D.A.s that won't prosecute smash-and-grab
looting, for example.

DeSantis' lawyers gave both definitions (which the judge could also have read in any good dictionary) and added that Desantis does not believe there is "systemic" racism. Nothing "forced" about it.

@Thinkerbell Nice use of the passive voice!!

That "second definition" was created by right-wingers and is smeared - liberally - on anyone they disagree with. Such as you are doing now.

Actually, the lawyers' definition is "systemic injustice," and it's a very reasonable description of a society where the following is true:

https://www.aclu.org/gallery/marijuana-arrests-numbers

@ElwoodBlues

The lawyers said "belief in systemic injustice," Ellie. [italics added]

Again, you did not tell the whole story, as is your partisan wont.

And if the aclu statistics are correct, then awareness of that would be an example of the first definition of woke.

So you think the "second definition" does not apply to woke D.A.s who won't prosecute store looting by gangs, as long as an individual looter does not make off with more than $900 worth of merchandise?

@Thinkerbell You tried to smear ME with the second definition. It doesn't fit.

As far as your belief comment, I stand corrected. Allow me to rephrase.

I think it's reasonable to believe that "systemic injustice," is an accurate description of a society where the following is true:

@JPWhoo It wasn't stolen land. It was acquired land. The way that humans, who are animals, have been doing it since they first started roaming the earth. Animals in nature fight over habitat. So do humans. And you don't think the natives that were here first didn't kill each other over land? Should people feel guilty because Homo Sapiens took care of Neanderthals? Survival of the fittest. That's how animals roll.

@ElwoodBlues


What I said about you was in response to @BritishFailedAesthetic question to you:

"I'm on £28,000.00 BEFORE taxes and have got no pay rise with rising inflation, where is my imaginary privelege?"

...which you conspicuously did not answer. Nor did you answer my question about the woke D.A.s who don't prosecute certain crimes, or do you believe they don't regard themselves as woke?

And I already answered your marijuana arrest example. If those statistics are indeed correct, then racism exists in that area of law enforcement. Whether it is "systemic" or not would depend on how universal the racism is. You of course tried to implicate the whole of society.

Nor do I deny that some right-wingers will say that ANY awareness of social injustice is "woke" in the second meaning. Of course that is nonsense.


@BohemianBoo Congratulations, you got one mostly right, for a change.
As for Ellie, I said "only in his woke imagination" with restricted reference to @BritishFailedAesthetic's question. See above.

@Thinkerbell But what makes his imagination woke? What did he say to make you think he's over-correcting in a negative way?

@BohemianBoo

Read @BritishFailedAesthetic's and Ellie's memes and Brit's question to Ellie about 11 comments back.