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LeopoldBloom · M
@Roundandroundwego Define woke.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom The left wing/illiberal obsessions with social and cultural ephemera to the detriment of real, serious, actionable issues that require attention in the US.
LeopoldBloom · M
@SumKindaMunster That's not what Ron DeSantis' lawyer called it in court. He defined it as the belief that there are systemic inequities in society along with a need to address them. He oughta know, DeSantis built his entire persona on anti-woke.
Do you think there are no systemic inequities in society? By "systemic," I mean inequities that may be unwittingly perpetuated by people who aren't necessarily bigoted personally. If you don't think these inequities exist, when did they end?
Do you think there are no systemic inequities in society? By "systemic," I mean inequities that may be unwittingly perpetuated by people who aren't necessarily bigoted personally. If you don't think these inequities exist, when did they end?
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom
So? How come when it is convenient and confirms what you already believe you take such things at face value, but if DeSantis said something you didn't agree with, you would call him a liar?
It's not consistent, it demonstrates you don't have critical thinking skills and just believe whatever is convenient to back up your existing beliefs.
Right now there is a strong anti White, anti Male, anti Conservative bias going through the pop culture right now, I don't think I would call it "systemic" more like a fad, but otherwise, no.
Likely ended in the 50's-80's with the civil rights movements, "great society", and the election of Barak Obama to the Presidency.
That's not what Ron DeSantis' lawyer called it in court. He defined it as the belief that there are systemic inequities in society along with a need to address them. He oughta know, DeSantis built his entire persona on anti-woke.
So? How come when it is convenient and confirms what you already believe you take such things at face value, but if DeSantis said something you didn't agree with, you would call him a liar?
It's not consistent, it demonstrates you don't have critical thinking skills and just believe whatever is convenient to back up your existing beliefs.
Do you think there are no systemic inequities in society? By "systemic," I mean inequities that may be unwittingly perpetuated by people who aren't necessarily bigoted personally
Right now there is a strong anti White, anti Male, anti Conservative bias going through the pop culture right now, I don't think I would call it "systemic" more like a fad, but otherwise, no.
Likely ended in the 50's-80's with the civil rights movements, "great society", and the election of Barak Obama to the Presidency.
LeopoldBloom · M
@SumKindaMunster Your definition of "woke" is tendentious. It would be like me saying opposition to woke means the person supports Nazism. The DeSantis lawyer's definition fits without going out of its way to insult anyone.
I figured you and I would disagree on systemic inequities, although, I appreciate that you recognize the "anti white, anti male, anti conservative bias" as a fad.
White people tend to think racism is less of a problem than Black people think it is. But if you think it ended in the 1950s before the Civil Rights Act was passed, your understanding of history is deficient. While Brown v. Board of Education ended legal school segregation, actual segregation did not end for decades. Same with the Civil Rights Act, which did not instantly end discrimination by magic.
Tim Wise has a good explanation of this.
https://medium.com/@timjwise/20-questions-for-those-who-deny-systemic-racism-781e62319ddc
I figured you and I would disagree on systemic inequities, although, I appreciate that you recognize the "anti white, anti male, anti conservative bias" as a fad.
White people tend to think racism is less of a problem than Black people think it is. But if you think it ended in the 1950s before the Civil Rights Act was passed, your understanding of history is deficient. While Brown v. Board of Education ended legal school segregation, actual segregation did not end for decades. Same with the Civil Rights Act, which did not instantly end discrimination by magic.
Tim Wise has a good explanation of this.
https://medium.com/@timjwise/20-questions-for-those-who-deny-systemic-racism-781e62319ddc