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A well functioning executive of a liberal democracy should be boring and effective.

The US puts far too much import on its President. They would have been better off with a symbolic monarch so the Chief Executive could get work done. All the limos, "Hail to the Chief," drama of Airforce One -- it's just a distraction.

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Kwek00 · 41-45, M

It doesn't need to be boring though... just not controversial.
Like an executive can present an exciting positive project that gets a big amount of people rallied up, I see no issue in that.

Leave the anointed people outside, they can get pretty bad over time too and you can't vote them out.

Bumbles · 51-55, M

@Kwek00 Americans are to blame as well to the point where they had a cult figure in Trump as President, who has been deemed to be infallible by the Republican party. Surely, something has gone off the rails.

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@Bumbles Well... there is a system that tries to create a consensus. If enough people believe in ideas that make it impossible to create consensur OR believe that no consensus can be reach because of enmity, the system breaks. 🤷‍♂️ I think there is deff. an individual responsibility there. I also think there is a societal one.

MistyCee

Well, we could have had a Prime Minister and a ceremonial President, but I doubt that's really the source of our problems.

Bumbles · 51-55, M

@MistyCee Impossible of course, as is my hypothetical solution, but I do think America places too much myth on the Presidency. They are just to be the Chief Officer of the Executive Branch of government.

MistyCee

@Bumbles I agree, and so did our first President.

JimboSaturn · 56-60, M

I know I laugh when people blame the leader, he does have a whole team. When I vote, I usually don't vote because I like the leader.

Persephonee · 22-25, F

Monarchy is certainly the solution to a lot of problems but just confines the nonsense of adherence to the unscrupulousness of elected politicians to a congress or parliament alone.

We have a monarch (albeit taken when he was heir). And look what it brought us.

Monarchical steadfastness over parliamentary mess, always.

BackyardShaman · 61-69, M

And that president is the wizard of Oz, he comes out from behind that curtain to go around and manually change gas prices at every pump in the world every morning😂

Bumbles · 51-55, M

@BackyardShaman Great point -- the mystical belief the president is omnipotent.

trollslayer · 46-50, M

Thats the way it was supposed to be

Bumbles · 51-55, M

@trollslayer Do you think? The "Imperial Presidency" seems to have has an evolution, from Teddy to FDR and modern communication.

trollslayer · 46-50, M

@Bumbles Well, trivia: Who was the first president to appear on US currency, what denomination, and what year? Answer - Lincoln, on the penny, in 1909!!! https://www.usmint.gov/learn/history/historical-documents/history-of-presidents-on-our-coins Given that, I think your mention of TR beginning the imperial presidency is accurate.

Bumbles · 51-55, M

@trollslayer See what I learn on SW! Thanks.

BohemianBabe · M

All the limos, "Hail to the Chief," drama of Airforce One -- it's just a distraction.

So is a symbolic monarch.

Bumbles · 51-55, M

@BohemianBabe Exactly my point -- better to separate those functions. The Trump Cult and it's corollary, Biden frothing, is in part caused by putting too much emotional baggage on the Presidency. Like he's a national daddy or something. It's why female candidates for President never make it over the finish line.

BohemianBabe · M

@Bumbles I much rather the public keep their eyes on the people in power. I don't like the idea of a royal family distracting us from what the government is actually doing.
Though I do agree that the president has too much responsibility. Some more of the work should be dispersed throughout the cabinet.

Thevy29 · 41-45, M

No offence, but that shit don't work either.

Bumbles · 51-55, M

@Thevy29 Not at all?

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