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No Scientist Denies "Climate Change"

The somewhat ambiguous term "climate change" itself states only an undeniable, known fact.

Fact: all of the Earth’s several climatic zones are dynamic (not static) ecosystems, each in their own way, and they all combine to form the overall natural ecosystem that makes up our planet. Since they are dynamic, they are in a constant state of change.

The tropical rain forests cycle through changes as do the sub-tropics, as do the desert regions, arctic regions, tundra regions, temperate zones and so on. A changing climate in any of the climatic zones is normal. Virtually every scientist knows and understands that ecosystems are dynamic.

What makes the term "climate change" ambiguous is that first of all, there is no such thing as the "Earth’s climate" and, second, you need to specifically define what exactly is the change and to what extent are you relating to that change.

Most people have now been brainwashed to think that the term "climate change" is the equivalent of the following conclusive assertion, expressed in as concise a form as possible and formulated into an equation:

The now universally touted position on climate change: The planet Earth is experiencing an ecological disaster and existential threat to human life (hence mammalian life) due to planet-wide increases in atmospheric temperatures (i.e., global warming) that is [i]the direct result of greenhouse emissions (e.g., carbon dioxide) that are due primarily to human population growth, technology and ‘carelessness / indifference’.[/i]

As you can see, there is a rather huge leap from the (realistic) recognition that our planet experiences dynamic climate fluctuations - real climate change - to the (fanciful, agenda-serving) concept of a disastrous, human-induced catastrophe that postulates warming and finds connections to human produced CO2.

In other words, the term has been hijacked and redefined in order to support a narrative. Packaged in the colour RED, for extreme danger.

Be afraid, be very afraid, we are urged. By highly specialised and competent persuaders.

There is no universal consensus when it comes to the above equation and its consequent catastrophic assertions.

Compare the terms: [b]afraid, [/b]and [b] a fraud[/b]
The term has not been highjacked. It's just come to refer colloquially to anthropogenic climate change because saying anthropogenic climate change means you have to keep explaining to people what anthropogenic means.

Sure, the climate is always changing on a large scale. But it's changing very quickly at the moment with natural disasters on the rise and while there is not a [i]universal[/i] consensus among scientists that humans are the blame there is an overwhelming majority consensus that this is so. In fact 97% of climate scientists share this view so let's not paint this as some kind of up in the air question that the experts aren't sure about.

[quote]Be afraid, be very afraid, we are urged. By highly specialised and competent persuaders.[/quote]

I always find this conspiratorial notion regarding climate change to be hilarious.
"They" are trying to convince you that anthropogenic climate change is a real danger for sinister reasons!
....meanwhile, you're happily lapping up the anti-scientific talking points from people and organizations lobbying for BIG FUCKING OIL who, yeah, actually have a vested interest in convincing you that climate change isn't happening or at least that humans have nothing to do with it.

It absolutely blows my mind that conspiracy [i]theorists [/i]think scientists around the world are all in cahoots but totally ignore the very large, very red flag that the people responsible for opposing the science of anthropogenic climate change are the hyper-wealthy elite who stand to lose a lot of money if the severity of the situation gains widespread acceptance.
@WalterF

A thousand pardons. I hope my dreadful profanity has not caused you to be unable to understand the point i was making.
WalterF · 70-79, M
@Pikachu Apart from that, the use of a term like " conspiracy nuts" reveals your short-sighted and slavish belief in every word the Ministry of Propaganda brings to your TV screen. "Dedicated believer nuts" would be a good term for that kind of devotee.
@WalterF

Ok, i shouldn't have used that derogatory term. Conspiracy theorists then.

But you're responding with rhetoric, not with thought.
Let's pretend i don't think you're being too sensitive and you pretend i'm not a short-sighted thought slave and we discuss the actual content of my post.

Ball is in your court.
[quote]There is no universal consensus[/quote]

There is no universal consensus on anything. The point is that the vast majority of specialists in the field of climate accept that the Earth is heating due to pollution.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Pikachu I have no objection to the field of study. I watch the climate myself. I have no issue with a 7 day forecast. Predicting a 1.5 degree temp increase 5 years out is of value to who?
@sree251 [quote]I watch the climate myself.[/quote]

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sree251 · 41-45, M
@BohemianBoo 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That last line is really cute.

But climate change, even if it's not caused by humans, can still be something to be afraid of, and even if the narrative is constructed with an agenda, I'm still inclined to fear that the natural, as opposed to artificial dynamic changes might be catastrophic to humanity, or at least, my community.

Extinction of species is also excepted as normal. Is it so wrong to be even a little afraid of that happening to us?
WalterF · 70-79, M
@MistyCee Certainly agreed on the possible extinction of the species. But not by the weather! Possibly, by the uncontrolled development of AI (which, being created and programmed by humans, might well end up doing what humans let loose tend to do: destroy everything that's good - or simply, destroy everything, point.) Or by the almost inevitable nuclear war, which our leaders are pushing Putin into starting.
sree251 · 41-45, M
Human-induced climate change is pretty far-fetched. Climate change is a progressive social activist power grab, in my opinion. Granted, we could all be more careful in the way we treat the planet. The USA is the forerunner in planetary pollution. In terms of scale, populous countries like, India and China, have caused quite a scare in terms of the volume of crap they churn out . Still, the planet is a massive home to 8 billion people. It will take a long long time to turn it into an inhabitable dump.
@sree251
I always find this conspiratorial notion regarding climate change to be hilarious.
"They" are trying to convince you that anthropogenic climate change is a real danger for sinister reasons!
....meanwhile, you're happily lapping up the anti-scientific talking points from people and organizations lobbying for BIG F---ING OIL who, yeah, actually have a vested interest in convincing you that climate change isn't happening or at least that humans have nothing to do with it.

It absolutely blows my mind that conspiracy theorists think scientists around the world are all in cahoots but totally ignore the very large, very [i]red[/i] flag that the people responsible for opposing the science of anthropogenic climate change are the hyper-wealthy elite who stand to lose a lot of money if the severity of the situation gains widespread acceptance.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Pikachu No, you climate change aficionados are hilarious. You believe that Mother Nature is a closed mechanical system with no unknowns.
@sree251

[quote]You believe that Mother Nature is a closed mechanical system with no unknowns.[/quote]

Nope. I don't believe that at all.
If you want to know what i believe, talk to me ☺️
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
The simple facts are that no one have been able to definitively prove that CO2 is a driver of climate change. We do know that CO2 levels were much much higher in the past and we do know that there is a lower limit for CO2 below which life ceases to exist because the plants all starve. We also know that Greenhouse operators use CO2 generators to get the CO2 levels up to around 1000 ppm which is optimal for plant growth. Right now we are guestimating that the CO2 levels in our atmosphere are around 400 ppm but that remains a guestimate since we can't really get a true reading. Local CO2 levels may be much higher or much lower depending on the source for the CO2 and the foliage converting the CO2 into food. One would expect to see higher levels over large built up urban areas and lower CO2 levels in the remote forested areas. Sadly in the AGW crowds demented demands lies the very real possibility of a mass human die off or a mass increase in CO2/polution should we ban 'fossil fuels'.
Carissimi · 70-79, F
What they really mean by “climate change” is planet destruction caused by them fostering this insane fear mongering. All their plans to save the planet is actually destroying the planet, including animals and humans. The Elites want the world for themselves, and have their transhuman cyborgs to take care of the dirty stuff, and cater to all their needs. They are bored billionaires that have to create greater and greater challenges to make themselves feel alive. This is what happens when you have so much wealth that everything you need is yours at the click of your fingers.
Graylight · 51-55, F
[quote]As you can see, there is a rather huge leap from the (realistic) recognition that our planet experiences dynamic climate fluctuations - real climate change - to the (fanciful, agenda-serving) concept of a disastrous, human-induced catastrophe that postulates warming and finds connections to human produced CO2.[/quote]

So demonstrable at every level of science and discipline as to be an idiotic statement. There is no leap; there is data, timeline, verification and statistic.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
Meantime you're not considering the effect of human caused warming due to over pollution; over population; the fact that there are way too many vehicles burning fuels that we know contribute to overheating the atmosphere which in turn causes the icebergs to melt and dump freshwater into saline seas which is where clouds form and our weather comes from which then dumps saltwater in the form of rain over fertile soils which then erodes the capability to grow anything in it.......
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
@Picklebobble2 Rain is salt water? That's a new one. Cable TV blowhards or home schooler science?
Compare temperatures from the last 10 years to the previous 10 years and you get Global Warming.
specman · 51-55, M
Yes I agree! Very well explained! The climate will change. Look at the ice age that is a good example for climate change.

 
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