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... so are deportations on the table now?

For my daily dose of demagoguery, I decided to listen to Donald Trumps' speech that he gave on the 25th of june 2023. I have to say, I've listened to a lot of his speeches... but this was one of the darkest ones yet. Now, everyone knows the things that he hates and the stereotypes that he uses to make the crowd foam out of their mouths. But this time he went exceptionally hard on immigrants... and "Marxists". I guess he finally dares to say what always follows if you are living with a notion of objective "evil" as your neighbour. There is always a final sollution to this kind of issue.

[quote]You and I have been fighting side-by-side to rescue our country from evil and senator forces that hate -- and cynical forces that hate it. As we gather today our beloved nation is teetering on the edge of tyranny. I believe that. You believe that. Our enemy are waging war on science and religion, on history and tradition, on law and democracy, on god almighty himself. They are waging war. […] The radicals are setting fire to our constitution, abolishing free speech, attacking religious beliefs, erasing our borders, corrupting our elections, and we have corrupt elections. and trying to oppose their creed of "woke" communism on every American, woman and child and that is what they are doing. We have never had a situation like is going on right now in our country […] T[b]ogether we are warriors and a righteous crusade to stop the arsonists, the atheist globalist and the marxists and that is what they are. and we will restore a republic as one nation, under god God with liberty and justice for all.[/b][…]

[...][b]Today I'm announcing a new plan to protect the integrity of our immigration system. Federal law prohibits the entry of communists and totalitarians into the united states.[/b] [applause] [b][u]My question is what do we do with the ones that are already here?[/u][/b] [laughter] [b][u]I think we have to pass a new law for them.[/u] Using federal law, section 212f of the immigration and nationality act, I will order my government to deny entry to all communists, and all marxists.[/b] [applause] Those who come to join our country must love our country. We wouldn't want them when they want to destroy our country. Welcome to America, we want to destroy your country, thank you very much. [b]We will keep foreign, christian-hating communist and marxists out of america.[/b]

[b]We must be strong like never before. We must be unstoppable. Together we will take on the communists and the marxists, and the fascists and the globalists and the fake news media.[/b][/quote]

And when he’s summing up all the big plans he has for his new term:

[quote][…] Because the time is coming up, we will have to extend that to expand the adoption tax credit. We will do that because a lot of people have been adopting and that's a great thing. [b]Another to your already will be to expel the communists, and these terrible people that have taken over our education system.[/b] [/quote]

[b]SOURCE:[/b] https://www.c-span.org/video/?528898-1/donald-trump-speaks-faith-freedom-coalition-conference

... Anyway, if you are intrested in this kind of stuff. You should really take the time to listen to this speech.

If anyone still believes that this man upholds the constitution? Like, you don't have to go to another amendment then the 1st, then to figure out that he and his followers give one f*ck abouth that piece of paper.

And when you are this far to the extreme on the political spectrum, then the word "marxist" becomes just as meaningless as the word "fascist". It's just becomes a collective term, for everything these people don't like.
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I agree with you on most points. But this actually is fascism and that is not hyperbole.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow What is fascism to you?
@sree251 Look up the 14 characteristics of fascism. There is actually 2 versions and this fits both.

But here are a few points just off the top of my head.

Draping themselves in the language and symbols of nationalism.

Militaristic language.

Create and define an in group and an out group.

Scrape a scapegoat which is both all powerful and simultaneously weak.

Create a narrative that destroying the scapegoat out group is a necessity for the survival of the nation.

Hell if someone had translated this into German or Italian they could have easily passed it off as a fascist speech from the 30s.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@sree251 You need to ask more questions... at some point you'll figure out that it's pretty much everything he doesnt like.
The category is defined so broadly, that it just doesn't work. At some point, you'll be able to put Stalin in there, and then our Candian tankie will have to go: "you are just informed by western propaganda". A similair attitude to far right wingers, that push away every piece of evidence by claiming corruption.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow ahhh the irony and hypocrisy 😉
@gol979 Not sure where you think you are going with that.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@gol979 Well, you are all for that right? I mean... Just look at what you have said in the last 4 years and your new profile picture.

Ah well... at least Chomsky ain't facepalming anymore, now Voltaire is just turning around in his grave.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Kwek00 had to let go of chomsky, another one bites the epstein dust. @PicturesOfABetterTomorrow just pointing out you and many here and irl enacted your definition of fascism - un-injected/injected etc etc.

Justification in 3......2.........1
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@gol979 I enacted what now? Where?
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Kwek00 dont worry, im not going to point out you became what you claim to despise, it was @PicturesOfABetterTomorrow definition of fascism i was referring to and how this was followed by many on here and irl during the last few years
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@gol979 That's really clear, that you are not here to point anything out. Because in the past, pointing things out has not been so great for you. So it's really smart not to point things out in your particulair case.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Kwek00 ok.....you and picturesofabetter amongst others followed the doctrine of your own definition of fascism (see above) and used the excuse "covid". You rage against orange man but followed the orange pied piper and used the excuse "covid"
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@gol979 Wow, more claims... but no substance.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Kwek00 its all there. You used military/prision language, "lockdown" "entitled to an hours exercise per day", you created an in group (injected) and an out group (not injected) etc etc.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@gol979 I believe the people that made the "outgroup", were those people that choice not to get vaccinated.
But I guess, personal responsibility is off the table again because you wanted to experience the exact same freedoms during a particulair time where those freedoms became an issue for other people. Why is that? Because you are a navel staring individualist that blames the consequences of his associal behavior on society.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Kwek00 you arent responsible for my health and vise versa. Oh well, you arent ever going to self reflect and admit you were taken for a ride and displayed some seriously authoritarian behaviours/fascistic tendencies.......you are still othering people who chose not to get the covid injection/who want bodily autonomy.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@gol979 You can have your bodily autonomy... there were just consequences to your choise.

[quote]@Kwek00 you arent responsible for my health and vise versa. [/quote]

Very libertarian of you 😅
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Kwek00 consequences wrought by authoritarians. Do you still think that people should be treated differently based on whether they have had that covid injection? Surely not
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@gol979 The numbers of covid are severly down, the strains that are still going around out here seem to have a lot less consequences then they had during the time that those measures were used. Situations change, then rules can change too. You are still yelling authoritarian, but the big diffrence between an authoritarian and someone that takes authoritarian measures to combat a specific situation... is that the authoritarian doesn't stop doing what they want to do. 😅 Authoritarian measures, are not by definition "bad" or "immoral"... unless you are a libertarian that believes that you have little to no responsibility for other people, as if you are living on an unhabitated island. That same hypothetical island, that most of their reasoning always starts from. If you want to live in those conditions... move to an island.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Kwek00 spoken like a true authoritarian. Bravo. At least you are admitting it now 👍
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gol979 · 41-45, M
@Kwek00 awww i thought you were worried so much about my health and safety that you wanted to force some experimental mrna, magic, operation warp speed, maga injections into me?
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gol979 · 41-45, M
@Kwek00 "consequences". Ok mum
@gol979 Wow. If you keep stretching this hard to invent false equivalences you will injure yourself.

And you are making excuses for fascists as usual.
@gol979 And you don't have the right to be a public hazard.