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Concerning social security and wealth.

https://www.cnbc.com/select/will-social-security-run-out-heres-what-you-need-to-know/

[quote][c=000000]Will Social Security run out of money? Here’s what could happen to your benefits if Congress doesn’t act
A recent report found that starting in 2034 retirees will only receive part of their benefits.

Will Social Security run out?

For millions of retirees, Social Security provides an essential source of income in retirement. In 2020, around 50 million retired workers collected Social Security benefits, according to the Social Security administration.

However, the recent[u][i] 2022 Social Security Trustees report finds that in 2034, retirees will start receiving a reduced benefit if Congress doesn’t fix funding issues for the social program[/i][/u].

In other words, Social Security will exist after 2034, but retirees will only receive 77% of their full benefit starting then.[/c][/quote]

Now we know the opposing positions of both sides. Yet neither side wants to address the obvious....

https://smartasset.com/retirement/social-security-tax-limit
[quote][c=000000[u][i]]The most you will have to pay in Social Security taxes for 2023 will be $9,932. That’s what you will pay if you earn $160,200 or more[/i][/u]. As its name suggests, the Social Security tax goes to the Social Security program. For 2023, it amounts to 6.2% for employees on all income up to $160,200. Employers deduct the tax from paychecks and match it, so that 12.4% goes to the program for each employee. If you’re self-employed, you’ll pay the total 12.4%, though you can deduct half on your tax return. The earnings limit is called the Social Security wage base limit, and it typically goes up every year. The annual rise began in 1972, when the wage base was $9,000.

Consider working with a financial advisor as you assess your taxes and how that will affect how much you receive from the federal government.

What Is the Social Security Tax Limit?

You aren’t required to pay the Social Security tax on any income beyond the Social Security wage base limit. In 2023, this limit is $160,200, up from the 2022 limit of $147,000. As a result, in 2023 you’ll pay no more than $9,932 ($160,200 x 6.2%) in Social Security taxes.[/c][/quote]

Why is such a low maximum in place.? Like it's totally on the middle class and lower...

https://news.gallup.com/poll/151427/Americans-Set-Rich-Threshold-150-000-Annual-Income.aspx

That's 47% of the population making more than $150,000 IN 2011! It's certainly more than that by now!

Why is there that cap of $160,000? When even the wealthiest billionaires can receive social security?

Could it be all political parties don't want to pay their fair share?

https://www.thoughtco.com/salaries-and-benefits-of-congress-members-3322282
[quote][c=000000]The current base salary for all rank-and-file members of the U.S. House and Senate is $[u][i]174,000[/i][/u] per year, plus benefits
[/c][/quote]

That's the very minimum base pay of a just elected house member for ALL PARTIES!

Notice the convenient cutoff? 😡

End of rant!
windinhishair · 61-69, M
Social Security taxes should be paid on all income. That would help keep SS solvent significantly longer than current projections. There should also be a means test. Donald Trump, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and others should not be able to collect SS. An actuarial analysis should be done to determine the appropriate cutoff.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@irishmolly72 The Nazis were extreme right-wing, similar to today's Trump Cult. The Nazis [b]fought[/b] the socialists in WWII in the USSR. Go back to basic facts and try, try again. You can do it!
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@windinhishair she doesn't even want to consider what it was before WWI. It was a aristocracy!
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@irishmolly72 [quote]Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934. But to address this canard fully, one must begin with the birth of the party.

In 1919 a Munich locksmith named Anton Drexler founded the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (DAP; German Workers’ Party). Political parties were still a relatively new phenomenon in Germany, and the DAP—renamed the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP; National Socialist German Workers’ Party, or Nazi Party) in 1920—was one of several fringe players vying for influence in the early years of the Weimar Republic. It is entirely possible that the Nazis would have remained a regional party, struggling to gain recognition outside Bavaria, had it not been for the efforts of Adolf Hitler. Hitler joined the party shortly after its creation, and by July 1921 he had achieved nearly total control of the Nazi political and paramilitary apparatus.

To say that Hitler understood the value of language would be an enormous understatement. Propaganda played a significant role in his rise to power. To that end, he paid lip service to the tenets suggested by a name like National Socialist German Workers’ Party, but his primary—indeed, sole—focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda. After the failure of the Beer Hall Putsch, in November 1923, Hitler became convinced that he needed to utilize the teetering democratic structures of the Weimar government to attain his goals.

Over the following years the brothers Otto and Gregor Strasser did much to grow the party by tying Hitler’s racist nationalism to socialist rhetoric that appealed to the suffering lower middle classes. In doing so, the Strassers also succeeded in expanding the Nazi reach beyond its traditional Bavarian base. By the late 1920s, however, with the German economy in free fall, Hitler had enlisted support from wealthy industrialists who sought to pursue avowedly anti-socialist policies. Otto Strasser soon recognized that the Nazis were neither a party of socialists nor a party of workers, and in 1930 he broke away to form the anti-capitalist Schwarze Front (Black Front). Gregor remained the head of the left wing of the Nazi Party, but the lot for the ideological soul of the party had been cast.

Hitler allied himself with leaders of German conservative and nationalist movements, and in January 1933 German President Paul von Hindenburg appointed him chancellor. Hitler’s Third Reich had been born, and it was entirely fascist in character. Within two months Hitler achieved full dictatorial power through the Enabling Act. In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month. That July Hitler banned all political parties other than his own, and prominent members of the German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps. Lest there be any remaining questions about the political character of the Nazi revolution, Hitler ordered the murder of Gregor Strasser, an act that was carried out on June 30, 1934, during the Night of the Long Knives. Any remaining traces of socialist thought in the Nazi Party had been extinguished.[/quote]

Always happy to help educate a wingnut.
FurryFace · 61-69, M
those are high pay outs , i get 16 hundred and 40 $ every month as my old age pension , its almost double what i was getting before on Welfare since i turned 65 yrs old
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@FurryFace they are complaining we are living longer. Likely here they will raise it even more towards 70, from what I am hearing.

It was once 62. My dad got it then.
FurryFace · 61-69, M
@DeWayfarer plus our Parents didn't have to deal with the high inflation costs of nowadays , food , gas etc
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@FurryFace exactly. My father never had a car.
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
SS is child's play compared to Medicare. The US is simply broke and it's just a matter of time until this music stops.



Source:
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@DeWayfarer [quote]States rights is going backwards towards feudalism.[/quote]

So feudalism is what our Founding Fathers envisioned? Wow, ya learn something new every day. 🤔
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@irishmolly72 No! Feudalism is what "REPUBLIC"ans want. Not a DEMOCRACY!

Feudalism IS separate state countries. Learn some history as well as the meaning of a Democratic - Republic!

Do you notice anything here at all concerning those last two words! Democratic - Republic!

It's Not a Republic! Democratic modifies Republic!

Do you happen to know why the constitution needed a Bill of rights?

Because of REPUBLICANS! Who want States rights, not individual rights!

That's is feudalistic! Feudalism encouraged small individual states as countries! Hence the word "fiefdom"!

Yet fiefdoms would never allow for individual rights! Only rights of the state like countries.

Now guess what the supreme court is doing?

Expanding states rights and taking away individual rights!

Making the whole country like individual fiefdoms!

Learn the history that your fellow republican teacher's would never want to teach you!

Or make certain those books are banned by the "state" like fiefdom from all individual rights freedom seekers.

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As a sided line....

I'm totally accurate when I say DeSantis wants control over more fiefdoms! Since he is running for president!

Feudalism is where there are minor kings and greater kings over those minor kings!

Trump on the other has no claim to the feudalistic republic. He didn't start out as a minor king.... (Governor)!

Now do you see why Trump is not a republican? And not only that, yet because Trump was once a Democrat himself!

He actually IS the ultimate RINO! Ironic that his followers started that word.

Because that's what they are as well!

RINOS!
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@DeWayfarer [quote] ... Trump is not a republican... [/quote]

Absurd.
Budwick · 70-79, M
[quote]supreme court imbalance.??[/quote]

Imbalanced how?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@irishmolly72 so how would you describe Berny Sanders? Biden IS a moderate!
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@DeWayfarer Hitler was to the left of Ludendorff. I guess that made Hitler moderate. 😂

https://www.jta.org/archive/general-ludendorff-breaks-with-hitler-dinounces-him-as-betrayer-of-german-people-and-associate-of-f
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@irishmolly72 there is no comparison between any of them, your just pushing.... EXTREMISM!

Here is your example you wanted below!
Obviously Americans never intended to allow for social security.
You like social PRECARITY. Only. It's forever.
Capitalism needs you to suffer through.
So it went.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Roundandroundwego you realize that the internet is where everyone is today? 🤷🏻‍♂️
@DeWayfarer not really. It's definitely controlling US politics, but that's a political choice of the ownership and the mainstream. Any time democracy becomes important to enough Americans we can have net neutrality become the law.
Studies show that I cannot spread anything meaningful online unless I'm a conservative.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Roundandroundwego because you let it by not being social!
Because we don't tax the rich enough we will all die younger and live hard lives on a dying planet.
Was there any other way?
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
The only question the govt asks themselves when choosing who to fuck over is :
Who will riot the most and cause the most destruction ?
(It’s not old people so bye bye SS).
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@AthrillatheHunt ... but we vote. 😃
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@irishmolly72 that’s what makes AARP a powerful Lobby group.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
Welfare never seems to run out.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@MrBrownstone that's a different issue. Far more state driven. Take West Virginia for instance. Very little welfare. Lots and lots of poor though.
They have been saying this shit for over 40 years, social security isn't going away, enough with the scare tactics.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@NativePortlander1970 I don't have to because I saw all four what they said as well as DeSantis. Plus critic's of all five!

Democrats are just ignoring the problem!
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@DeWayfarer [quote]Democrats are just ignoring the problem![/quote]

Why worry about such problems when you can just make the printing press go BRRRRRRRRR?
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@irishmolly72 the way both parties are acting we are better off on the barter system. Heck they both make it harder with the waste going on. That's totally both sides!

This throwaway society is going to be the demise of this whole society. Designing things to only last a few years. Never reusing anything. In the meanwhile polluting everything else.

 
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