Abortion question for pro-lifers. Thought i'd try this in the form of a poll:

@Ryderbike [media=https://youtu.be/4Sc2vm6aBMc]

@Pikachu [quote]I don't think realizing that a child is a real person and embryos are not means we should feel nothing for the loss of potential life.
It's a common strawman for prof lifers (and i'm not accusing you personally of this) to pretend that abortion is no big deal to pro choicers.[/quote]
I dont agree with not feeling anything for the loss of potential life. You might just think of a tank of embyos but I think of it as more than that. I think of the women who are trying to have a child and cant and their only hope could be those embryos.
I have a friend who cant have children and seeing everything she goes through in the attempts of having a child is rough to see.
So yeah embryos are potential life and not so much a lives at that state, but they would mean the world to other people

[quote]I don't think it is because as you said, in your mind you're saving two lives either way.
In this scenario you're saving either one human life or, (according to the pro life rhetoric) 100 human lives.
In this scenario one is forced to consider just how much they actually consider an embryo to be a human life as compared to a human who is actually alive.[/quote]
well when you put it like that, thats fair.

@Torsten

[quote]I dont agree with not feeling anything for the loss of potential life[/quote]

Oh i'm not saying that at all. Sorry if i didn't make that clear.
That's why i don't like when pro lifers pretend that pro choicers want to hand out abortions like candy.
It's still a big deal.

@Pikachu all good

I missed the part where you said prolifers pretending abortion is no big deal to pro choicers and I think that has escalated due to the loud minority of certain pro choicers who actively celebrate abortions.
Those are the radical pro choicers of course and I am just as against radical pro lifers with their views. Point i am trying to make it people mostly see the radical people and deem the rest on that side to be all the same.

@Pikachu Wow this was a cop out.
You're losing your edge Piki.
🙂

@SW-User No. You're lame as fuck. And you just proved my point. Loser. 🙂

@Zonuss lol oh no

@Pikachu Poo!

@Pretzel

@Pikachu evil genius look

@Iwantyourhotwife

I've just been atheist all my life. Even when i wanted to god to enter my life i never actually believed god was real any more than say, bigfoot.
Although to be fair i've not examined the god claims of most religions. Just the Abrahamic ones.

Politically i just gravitated towards political parties that espoused values that i held. I live in Canada so we've got a bit more to choose from politically than Americans so i've voted Liberal, New Democrat and Green.

@Pikachu that's a pretty interesting back story. And to be fair, I think the Abrahamic religions are the most infleuntial and most important to understand since they impact and shape so much of the world, so that is understandable.

And if you're Canadian, then you're lucky. I'm an American and I must say that politics here is gang activity but labeled politically correct

@Iwantyourhotwife

Yeah i'm pretty happy to not be an American right now lol

@SW-User I am not a pro lifer but I imagine even if I was I would choose the child.

@Misanthropic

[quote]personally I think that is a ridiculous scenario to put people in[/quote]

lol of course it is.
The point is to get pro-lifers to really come face to face with just how much they actually consider a fetus to be the same as a person.

@Pikachu I’m a little surprised you feel the need to give them this scenario. You seem educated enough that you should already know that the anti-choice movement is actually rooted in white replacement theory, and that they think they can get the white population to grow faster if only they could force educated, liberal white women to settle down and be mothers. Failing that, at least they’ll be putting women in their place.

I like to think I know a few who just don’t use their brains when it comes to politics who really honestly believe the anti-choice movement is about saving babies, but it should be clear that for the vast majority of them it’s about control.

@SW-User

What i'm expecting are mostly excuses or justifications which attempt to skirt the issue.

@AbbySvenz
Probably just someone's kid. Or maybe an orphan who came in to use the bathroom.

@Pikachu Guess you failed.
Not that you aren't used to it by now 😂😂

@Zonuss

...can you actually describe why you consider that to be a failure or were your just reactively attacking what you see as an enemy?🤔

@SW-User

But if you save them they will survive and if you don't then they'll die. Same as the girl

@Pikachu and that's why I would be sad, cause if it was for me I'd save them all. But can't.

@SW-User

Well so then i'm wondering how you make the choice to save one life over one hundred.

Both will live or die depending on your choice.
Both have the same potential to grow up and live a full life.

I guess i'm just not sure what distinction you're making unless like me you don't consider an embryo to be a person in the same way as a child is.