Newsflash: Trump Did Not Achieve Middle East Peace

This is just in: Trump did not achieve Middle East peace.

Turns out the parties/populations that were in a state of war, since 1948: Israel, Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinians, remain in a state of war.

The Middle East peace he achieved? Formalizing the trade relationships status-quo between the UAE/Bahrain and Israel, and giving Sudan hundreds of millions, to have the Sudan dictator sign a "peace" agreement. None of these countries are at war with Israel.

The side effect of the Abraham Accords, is setting aside all Palestinian claims, and adding another level of complexity to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

The Biden Administration, on the other hand, managed to broker an agreement, signed last week, between Israel and Lebanon, to formalize their maritime border, and eliminate a war between Hezballah and Israel, something neither Lebanon not Israel can afford, not to mention global peace.

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MistyCee

I'm with you on the Abraham Accords being in essence likely yet one more Trump fraud show in general, and Israel and Lebanon agreeing on borders is great news, but this part confuses me:

The side effect of the Abraham Accords, is setting aside all Palestinian claims, and adding another level of complexity to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

If I take out the word and, its a sentence, but I'm not sure if you're saying the Trump/Kushner deals made things worse, and if so, how.

Northwest · M

@MistyCee

If I take out the word and, its a sentence, but I'm not sure if you're saying the Trump/Kushner deals made things worse, and if so, how.

Yes, it made things worse, specifically for the parties directly involved in the Conflict: the Palestinians and Israelis.

There were winners: the Evangelicals and the Orthodox Jews, but for different reasons.

The Evangelicals believe that an Israeli total takeover, is a pre-requisite to the second coming of Christ, where all humans, past and present, will be tossed in hell, with the exception of those who accept Christ, and among the latter, you have 144,000 Jews, 12K each from each of the 12 biblical tribes (I am not sure if Kushner can trace his lineage to one of them, otherwise, he is surely fucked).

The Orthodox want to re-create Judea and Samaria, and re-build the Temple, also in preparation of the second coming of the Messiah, but this one is not going to fuck everyone over, but will ensure Jews rule the universe.

Setting that aside for a moment, and in the real world, the only thing that does, is increase violence, and eliminate the possibility of a peaceful solution. Instead, the agreement specifically prescribes an attrition/replacement plan, to insure a Palestinian-free West Bank.

The West Bank replacement plan, is not something the current Israeli government wants. Netanyahu, on the other hand, was a primary driver of the plan. Israelis are just about as polarized as we are, with a highly educated, mostly left-wing group, and a not so well educated (mostly) group of religious zealots, each with different goals for the country.

samueltyler2 · 80-89, M

@MistyCee moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem did not make peace more likely, it may have done exactly the opposite, it rubbed salt into the Palestinian wounds, making an establishment of a Palestinian state less likely. Other countries either decided not to move theirs or moved them and are now moving back out, e.g. I believe, Australia just did that very thing.

SomeMichGuy · M

@samueltyler2 It certainly removes even the appearance of us being "neutral", not that *that* was ever more than a thin veneer.