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It's so sad to see the sheer frothing at the mouth, vicious hatred that some Trump supporters seem to have for the left.

They believe the lies Trump has told them and the lies they've told each other and now they genuinely see about 50% of their fellow Americans as enemies of democracy and the United States.
They hate, hate hate the other side and believe them to be actually evil and actively interested in destroying the country.

It's so sad to see how this one manipulative, narcissistic dumpster fire of a human being has managed with his "fake news" and cries of conspiracy to so deeply divide the American people.
And the kicker? Trump does not
Give
A
Shit about any of it or any of you.
Trump cares about Trump and he has shown willingness to tear America apart for the sake of his own bloated ego.

Win or lose in 2024, i think this crisis of division will be Trump's only real legacy to the USA.
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SW-User
Bidens no better lol 😂 🤦🏼‍♀️
@SW-User

Has Biden taken page one out of the fascist handbook and convinced people that the free press is the enemy of the people?
Has he convinced them that a loss can only result from cheating?
Has he incited them to attempt by force to overturn the results of a democratic American election?

No.
So i'm not sure you have a leg to stand on there.

But i'm not here to defend Biden. This thread laments the vicious, cultist Trump tribalism which has taken the minds of so many Americans and convinced them that their neighbours hate America and want to see it destroyed.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@Pikachu the media is controlled/ owned by 4 or 5 people who control the narrative and isn't always correct (I've had 1st hand knowledge of many incidents because i was present and the media got it very wrong to sensationalize the situation
Until they require ids to vote both parties are able to cheat and the losing group will ALWAYS feel cheated
Id love to see the fascist handbook you mention

To clarify I'm NOT for either party as neither is for the American people
@pdockal

Id love to see the fascist handbook you mention
https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html
Check that out. I think you'll find that Trump and his administration hit a lot of those marks.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@Pikachu
Who wrote it ?????
@pdockal

Follow the link and find out for yourself.
And then read the content and either acknowledge its validity or contest it where you feel it is in error.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@Pikachu
Not a chance
@pdockal

why?
pdockal · 56-60, M
@Pikachu
It's probably propaganda
I was better off under the last administration
Nothing can change that
I paid my college debt now i have to pay for others ??????????
Where is my debt relief ??????????
@pdockal

I was better off under the last administration

Nice for you. Not everyone was.

It's probably propaganda

Do you consider yourself an intellectually honest man?
If so then don't be afraid to expose yourself to information which you fear may contradict your position.
Investigate it.
Don't dismiss it out of hand. Read the content and either acknowledge its validity or contest it where you feel it is in error.

Show me you're an honest man.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@Pikachu
I don't need to show you anything
I have my trusted sources
I do understand fascism

My opinions are based on reality which i pointed out earlier
@pdockal

Indeed, you don't need to show me anything.

I just don't understand why you fear to follow a link and read a description of fascism.
You are free to agree or contest it... but there's no intellectually honest reason to refuse to look at it....
pdockal · 56-60, M
@Pikachu
I already know about fascism
@pdockal

Look, i'm not going to try to coddle you into reading a link which you are strangely resistant to reading.
If you understand the hallmarks of fascism them you'll already understand how Trump and his administration check too many of those boxes.
If you are dubious of that claim...then follow the link and contest whatever you feel to be in error.

But to refuse to even expose yourself to information which you seem to fear may be problematic to your position....i can't understand that kind of approach to knowledge.
It seems self defeating.

Up to you.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@Pikachu because i disagree with you im wrong and need to educate myself with the document you recommend
@pdockal

because i disagree with you im wrong

No!
No, no, no. Don't meet me with that kind of antagonism. The attitude of "If you disagree with me then you are my enemy" is exactly the attitude that is tearing America apart.

You are not wrong for disagreeing with me, pdockal.
You are wrong for refusing to so much as read the information i have presented to you.

I didn't say you have to agree with it.
In fact i explicitly told you to contest it if you found it to be in error...i just can't understand how someone can be so resistant to exposing themselves to a differing opinion.

Read it or don't.
Don't attack me for presenting you with a source.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@Pikachu if you think I'm attacking you then you need to rethink your idea of being attacked
@pdockal

Maybe attack is too strong a word.
But when you start saying "you think i'm wrong because i disagree" then we're no longer having a discussion, we're just having an argument and i'm not interested in that.

I gave you something to read and discuss what you thought about it.
You refuse to read it because you reckon you already know all you need to know on that subject.

I don't find that a particularly valuable intellectual attitude but neither am i interested in attempting to force you to be intellectually honest.
Unless there is something you'd like to add, i think this signals the end of any hope for a productive interaction.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@Pikachu wasnt productive but that's ok
@pdockal

Well we agree on one thing, at least😉✌️
SW-User
@Pikachu
it’s the left that are causing the divide. Im still waiting on the black winter of the unvaccinated, oh yeah that was a lie, pfizer lied about it being tested if it can stop transmission.
Biden is destroying your country and you still stand up for him.
Best thing you can do is turn your TV off 📺 they really have you brainwashed lol
The news is fake!
Massive corruption, they set up people to look bad on purpose.
daisymay · 51-55, T
@SW-User 🤣
SW-User
@daisymay laugh all you want, it’s true.
@SW-User

I think the Trump cult attracted a lot of the conspiracy-minded people. He fed their delusions and thereby gained their fanatic loyalty.
So sure, Fairydust. The left is the enemy. Public health is the enemy. The free press is the enemy.
Must be hard to be surrounded by so many enemies.
SW-User
@Pikachu
What’s more frustrating is the people that believe it all.
I’ll Never get my head round it 🤷🏼‍♀️
@SW-User

I've known conspiracy-minded people. I know how frustrated they get when us normies don't buy into the same conspiracies that they do.
But the kind of thinking that you're displaying, championing is a big part of what's divinding America right now.

"The ENEMY is everywhere, against us! Against freedom! Working to malicious ends and only Trump can save us!" ...or something of that nature🤷‍♀️