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[quote]if it were actual support for the people and no interference in our future laws and policy[/quote]
But what specifically does "actual support for the people" consist of?
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But what specifically does "actual support for the people" consist of?
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BittersweetPotato · 31-35, F
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@JimboSaturn 💪
Graylight · 51-55, F
Why is it that every time there's a story in the news, we assume it's Armageddon for the US, another country or the world as a whole?
We might be gone soon, but the earth'll be better for it. But no, these are ancient nations that have withstood far, far more than the petty sea of nonsense in which we currently live. We're the one racing across the screen, not the world.
We might be gone soon, but the earth'll be better for it. But no, these are ancient nations that have withstood far, far more than the petty sea of nonsense in which we currently live. We're the one racing across the screen, not the world.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@Graylight The question is about the system of governance.
Justmeraeagain · 56-60, F
TrashCat · M
I sincerely hope so. Theocratic governance is a hideous affront to human rights. I understand why I ran was pissed when they revolted, deposed the Shah, took over, and became an enemy of the US. The US meddled in their affairs for far too long and supported a viscous puppet regime. But, the Ayatollahs have gone too far and made their country horrifying crapshow for almost 50 years. The people seem to be fed up
Briggett · T
All the women are local heroes for their stance against fundamentalist government.
Just hope they accidentally accomplish something men have fell to do for themselves and their family.
You can always lay judgment on any society at anytime in history by the way the women were and are treated.
Just hope they accidentally accomplish something men have fell to do for themselves and their family.
You can always lay judgment on any society at anytime in history by the way the women were and are treated.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
MrAverage1965 · 61-69, M
Probably not.
Most Iranians support Islam.
The women and a good number of the men want a less strict policy for women.
The Koran makes it clear that it is the woman's right to choose how she expresses her interpretation of surrender to Allah.
Mohammed never said modesty should be policed or imposed.
Personal modesty is a virtue for both men and women.
There is no meaning or virtue in modesty if it is not chosen.
Most Iranians support Islam.
The women and a good number of the men want a less strict policy for women.
The Koran makes it clear that it is the woman's right to choose how she expresses her interpretation of surrender to Allah.
Mohammed never said modesty should be policed or imposed.
Personal modesty is a virtue for both men and women.
There is no meaning or virtue in modesty if it is not chosen.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@hartfire 'Most Iranians support Islam.' - If you mean they are practising Muslims then yeah , but if you mean they support an Islamic Republic then that is clearly not so.
@RodionRomanovitch No, I meant practising Muslims. Sorry for my failure to be clear.
I'm still not sure how the majority of Iranians feel about the Islamic Republic. Certainly the demonstrations are attracting huge crowds and lots of support. But how many have stayed at home?
What is the population of Iran?
I google "politics of Iran" on Wiki, just to check that I understood how it works. It looks like it's an entrenched authoritarian theocracy with no true democracy as we understand the word.
Looks like it would take a revolution (like the one sparked by Martin Luther in Germany about 5 centuries ago) to overthrow the current regime.
The leaders would need to have a plan for how to create a replacement government - presumably a more Western style democracy, supporting moderate Shia Islam, tolerance for other monotheistic religions and intolerance for extremism.
Such a revolution would have to be ready and able to move into the power vacuum seamlessly. That's a tall ask. It's not normally how democracies emerge.
I have a feeling that no one in Iran is that well organized.
At the moment it seems to me like it's just demonstrations asking for specific changes, not a complete revolution.
Maybe that day will come but, if so, I think it's still a long way off.
I'm still not sure how the majority of Iranians feel about the Islamic Republic. Certainly the demonstrations are attracting huge crowds and lots of support. But how many have stayed at home?
What is the population of Iran?
I google "politics of Iran" on Wiki, just to check that I understood how it works. It looks like it's an entrenched authoritarian theocracy with no true democracy as we understand the word.
Looks like it would take a revolution (like the one sparked by Martin Luther in Germany about 5 centuries ago) to overthrow the current regime.
The leaders would need to have a plan for how to create a replacement government - presumably a more Western style democracy, supporting moderate Shia Islam, tolerance for other monotheistic religions and intolerance for extremism.
Such a revolution would have to be ready and able to move into the power vacuum seamlessly. That's a tall ask. It's not normally how democracies emerge.
I have a feeling that no one in Iran is that well organized.
At the moment it seems to me like it's just demonstrations asking for specific changes, not a complete revolution.
Maybe that day will come but, if so, I think it's still a long way off.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@hartfire I doubt very much that any kind of revolution from the streets is possible. The regime is absolutely brutal and I'm pretty sure that any kind of resistance would soon encounter a miltary response much like the one inflicted by Assad on the Syrian people.
What we do seem to be witnessing however is the gradual spread of dissatisfation with the government throughout society. There are lots of disparate groups expressing solidarity with the protestors and civil disobedience is becoming a thing.
If we can get to the point of some kind of general strike then the protestors will have a hand to play. At that point maybe , just maybe , the more pragmatic of the clerics might be persuadable that a transition away from theocracy might be in everyone's interests.
What we do seem to be witnessing however is the gradual spread of dissatisfation with the government throughout society. There are lots of disparate groups expressing solidarity with the protestors and civil disobedience is becoming a thing.
If we can get to the point of some kind of general strike then the protestors will have a hand to play. At that point maybe , just maybe , the more pragmatic of the clerics might be persuadable that a transition away from theocracy might be in everyone's interests.
ElwoodBlues · M
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@SW-User They've had nearly half a century as an Islamic republic , and still that system hasn't managed to grow deep roots among the people. I agree and I think left to themselves the great majority of Iranians would be more comfortable with a secular democracy. It's the 'how' that's the tricky bit.
llloydfred · 56-60, M
Not if Bidens has anything to do with this.
llloydfred · 56-60, M
@RodionRomanovitch Wow Joe bidden wants to help Iran. See in this universe, world leaders speak to other world leaders and there representative about many situations . some deals , and the nature of situations.. The effect of situations. You Do, understand now.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@llloydfred What you have written barely makes sense. No I don't understand now.
llloydfred · 56-60, M
@RodionRomanovitch @RodionRomanovitch translate it in romannovitch then look at it a world view and wait for it
If Iran decides to become a democracy again, will America overthrow them again?
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
I don't think so, but it may be a precursor.
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jimjim1969 · M
I hope so
DownTheStreet · 51-55, M
I doubt it
llloydfred · 56-60, M
Nope
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
yeah highly unlikely given how stubborn theyve been in the past