How do Trump supporters feel about Tim McVeigh?

@Graylight and Im not going to sit here and argue with you damn people. Im going to vote the way I vote and you're going to vote the way you vote. I could give a shit less about changing your opinion and you damn sure aren't changing mine.

@MrSmooTh You don't have to sit here and argue. That facts aren't in question.

I could show you fire damage in a supply closet - doesn't mean someone torched the whole building.

@marke
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Morality is conduct that supports happy and healthy relationships in a society without hurting others by selfish behaviors.
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That one really surprised me. Nothing about right and wrong and a focus on society and non-selfishness?


That seems to be to be not only pretty "liberal" of a definition, but dangerously close to socialism according to some SWeeps (that I've disagreed with).

So you think Trump supporters are using Trump, as opposed to being used by him?

@MistyCee[quote] That one really surprised me. Nothing about right and wrong and a focus on society and non-selfishness?
That seems to be to be not only pretty "liberal" of a definition, but dangerously close to socialism according to some SWeeps (that I've disagreed with).
So you think Trump supporters are using Trump, as opposed to being used by him?[/quote]

I don't agree with your view. I said morality supports happy and healthy relationships and does no harm to others through selfishness. I don't understand your negative response to my definition. Morality does not negatively impact capitalism.

Trump, unlike Hillary, ran on views and values most widely shared by most Americans. He came on the scene looking for positions to support that could get him elected. He did not come on the scene spouting views that tens of millions of Americans blindly accepted just because he was Trump. That notion is ridiculous.

@marke We're likely going to end up disagreeing on what Trump ran on, but before we go there, I'm not at all giving a negative response to your definition of morality. I didn't expect non selfishness and the value of society or not causing harm to others to come up at all. I'm surprised, but actually kind of pleased with that one.

I'm really intrigued though, by your idea of "Trump coming on the scene looking for positions to support that could get him elected.". That too, is something I sort of agree with.

@TexChik Blah blah blah. That's a very shitty attempt at deflection.

@trollslayer Not at foul mouth. Democrats are all about not enforcing the law unless it suits them . There are far too many incidences for you to plausibly deny it. McVeigh had a beef with the Clinton DOJ . The Ruby Ridge and Waco massacres could easily have been avoided . However McVeigh killed innocent people including a day care center full of children . He deserved the death penalty. Trump supporters of today didn’t support him then or now .

@trollslayer I don't know what you were expecting, but there's the standard selfie from @MarmeeMarch.

@marke I agree. But what does that have to do with the post?

@HoraceGreenley [quote]I agree. But what does that have to do with the post?
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The conversation was drifting toward visible signs of violence in America. I simply pointed out that violence is committed by people who have not been properly taught to fear God. I blame the secularist idea that God must be isolated from schools, politics, and society in general by a wall of separation between God and society for the widespread indoctrination of uncivilized behaviors in American classrooms.

@marke This particular thread had no connection to violence, which is why I was confused.

Having said that, I do agree with you.

@DeluxedEdition

@CopperCicada On the we agree. If several hundred assjacks can make it into the Capitol Building despite being surrounded by police, how's the lone lunatic going to fare when he flies under the radar?

@Graylight Lone lunatic? How about a small group of people who are disciplined, have tactical skills, have inside knowledge of the Capitol of some other government building, very clear objectives, and who can keep their mouths shut? Foreign or domestic.

Everything in the last couple years has been a study for real bad guys.

@CopperCicada Not to wax dramatic, but it's absolutely true: our greatest enemy is within.

@TrashCat
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[quote]McVeigh was an anti-government piece of shit and I think we all know which way he would vote. He subscribed to many of same ideologies that today's QTips subscribe to.[/quote]

McVeigh was right about the incompetence and corruption that led to the Ruby Ridge and Waco disasters. The government is not right or pure just because it is the government, as we are seeing more and more today as leftist government officials nail and jail more patriotic Americans with non-leftist views every day. But McVeigh was himself evil for trying to solve the problem his way.

@trollslayer not all government, over reach of government is really the opposition. But everyone knows the guy was a threat to society, and was lucky he lived to see a trial.

@checkoutanytime Yes, but the bar for what is considered "overreach" seems to be getting lower and lower for these folks.

@trollslayer True👍 ✅️