How do Trump supporters feel about Tim McVeigh?

@CopperCicada McVeigh was more effective.

@Graylight McVeigh and Nichols were manifestly anti-government. They were against federal government raids on U.S. citizens and US military violence on civilians. The 6 Jan dawgs just want their guy as POTUS.

@CopperCicada The Jan 6 "dawgs" are responsible for human lives lost. They stormed the seat of government armed with weapons with the specific goal of chaos and disruption is protest of what they didn't like. They committed an at least partly organized insurrection. They should have been shot on sight.

@Graylight Yes. Note I am not defending the 6 January people. I am just pointing out that they weren't anti-government like McVeigh and Nichols. They were just pro Trump.

@CopperCicada Patently untrue. Hang Mike Pence, Let's Go, Brandon. Defecating on employees desks and smearing it on the wall. Beating officers and other citizens. Carrying concealed weapons in a federal beuilding in the presence of federal police agents.

They may simply really like their guy and they may be treasoners - it doesn't matter. The damage and results are the same and they own it. A plane of civilians gave their lives so that very same building would remain safe and the principles inside unscathed. Every idiot who marched up those steps on Jan 6. spit in the face of their fellow martyred citizens. [i]We [/i]trampled the American Dream. [i]We're[/i] the reason there'll be nothing left to hand down in a few generations. There are some things you just don't do in an enlightened society - insurrection is one of them. Two bombs were found that day. If just one of them had done great damage, tell me then how McVeigh and Jan 6 wouldn't draw a comparison.

It's time to stop defending blatantly bad behavior.

@Graylight I'm not defending bad behavior.

I just think it's important to see the differences between agents like McVeigh & Nichols and most of the 6 January people.

I'm not particularly worried about a guy who breaks into a government building, even the capitol, waving flags, wearing Nazi T-shirts, shitting on a desk, wearing face paint and antlers.

I'm worried about people like McVeigh & Nichols who have very specific and focused manifestos and goals, are focused, disciplined, have skills, and are playing a long game.

That certainly isn't most of the 6 January people. They had the hubris to post their felonies and motivations to social media. That's not a pro.

From my seats, political violence is the new normal. That bell isn't going to be unrung and we will have to live with it until the end of the republic. And we're going to have a mixture of fools and pros. And I'm mostly worried about the pros.

@CopperCicada Whether you throw a rock or fall through it while dancing, a glass door ends up shattered just the same. No excuses, no 'softer' intentions.

McVeigh needed all the skill it took to gather a few farm items and leave a van in a parking garage. The only difference here is there were more participants along for the ride on Jan. 6. Had a couple crucial things gone a bit differently, we could be rebuilding parts of the Capitol.

@Graylight The hardness or softness of intention is not a matter of excuse.

You know what worries me?

All of this has been a demonstration of a series of liabilities and system failures for people MUCH more dangerous, skilled, capable than any 6 January player.

@CopperCicada On the we agree. If several hundred assjacks can make it into the Capitol Building despite being surrounded by police, how's the lone lunatic going to fare when he flies under the radar?

@Graylight Lone lunatic? How about a small group of people who are disciplined, have tactical skills, have inside knowledge of the Capitol of some other government building, very clear objectives, and who can keep their mouths shut? Foreign or domestic.

Everything in the last couple years has been a study for real bad guys.

@CopperCicada Not to wax dramatic, but it's absolutely true: our greatest enemy is within.