So basically Biden told Trumpeteers to goFthemselves.

I am not sure what this accomplishes. It seems like voters in this country are in the Trump camp (40%) or not in the Trump camp (60%). Was the motivation to rile up the ones not in the Trump camp and motivate them to vote?

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Elessar · 31-35, M

There's a significant amount of "centrists" that believe that trying to seize power via a coup and using the supreme court as a political tool is ordinary politics. Maybe the intent was to wake up some of those.

cyberdude28 · 31-35, M

@Elessar No it wasn't ordinary at all

Elessar · 31-35, M

@cyberdude28 Exactly the point. Hence the wake up call.

cyberdude28 · 31-35, M

@Elessar What's the difference between centrist and independent? because I actually don't even know which one of these I agree with.

trollslayer · 46-50, M

@Elessar Well, seizing power through dirty tricks and manipulating the court is normal politics that has gone on for centuries. Not to say that all centrists think that is right. I think Biden's goal was to say that a line has been crossed here that had not been crossed in this country. To that I (a centrist) agree wholeheartedly. This is much different than campaign lies, contesting "hanging chads" on a razor thin vote count, and scare tactics. The SC stuff I pin on Mitch McConnell - I see that as a dirty trick, and a dirty trick that is way out of the spirit of the constitution. I also pin it on voters who voted for Trump simply on the abortion issue - like making a deal with the devil. My feeling (hope) on that is it will motivate people enough, and the end result will be some kind of compromise legislation that legalizes abortion up to about 15 weeks nationally - probably passed during a lame-duck session.

Elessar · 31-35, M

@cyberdude28 The position you've described in your own post and which I criticized, informally called "radical centrism" or "enlightened centrism" isn't what is known as (proper) centrism.

Radical "centrism" is a sterile attempt at running after a perceived center that moves constantly, in a way to be equidistant from all the political forces. Radical "centrists" don't have a platform, a candidate, a side; all they care about is feeling "super partes", and complaining that everyone but themselves are an "extremist", up to the point of not voting or voting for parties that have virtually zero chances of winning. They're independent (unaffiliated to a party) by definition - but NOT every independent voter is a radical centrist, so they're not synonyms. They're essentially cannon fodder that, paradoxically and ironically, end up benefiting the most extremist side.

Actual centrism is a well defined position that does NOT move at every election, and tends to be socially and economically for a coexistence of left-wing and right-wing policies; opposing extremisms and not running after one when parties move across the political spectrum.

Easier to explain with a picture: