I accidentally took home with me some top secret, national security classified documents
But when the cops came I pointed at the boxes and said "I declassify them". There. Now I can't get in any trouble 😇
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BohemianBabe · M
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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@BohemianBabe Must be legal to do that, rahm deadfish emanuel is still waltzing around thumbing his nose at congress
BohemianBabe · M
@sunsporter1649 Whataboutism.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@BohemianBabe Yes, we know, demonocrats are exempt from following the law
BohemianBabe · M
@sunsporter1649 The Republicans investigated Hillary for over a year and couldn't find anything illegal. I don't like Hillary, but I'm not going to pretend she broke the law when she didn't.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@BohemianBabe comey on the hildabeest....
"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information. For example, seven email chains were classified at the 'Top Secret Special Access Program' at the time they were sent and received...There is evidence to support the conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton's position, or in the positions of those with whom she was corresponding about those matters, should have known an unclassified system was no place for that conversation."
"None of these emails should have been on any unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these emails were housed on unclassified, personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff like those found at agencies and departments in the United States government, or even with a commercial email service like Gmail." Comey then explained that the initial marking of emails as classified or not is irrelevant. "[Email] participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified, are still obligated to protect it."
"With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find any direct evidence that Secretary Clinton's personal email domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was hacked successfully. But given the nature of the system and the actors potentially involved, we assess we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private, commercial email accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account."
"We also assess that Secretary Clinton's personal email domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal email extensively while outside the United States including sending and receiving work-related emails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton's personal email account. So, that's what we found."
Nothing to see here, move along
"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information. For example, seven email chains were classified at the 'Top Secret Special Access Program' at the time they were sent and received...There is evidence to support the conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton's position, or in the positions of those with whom she was corresponding about those matters, should have known an unclassified system was no place for that conversation."
"None of these emails should have been on any unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these emails were housed on unclassified, personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff like those found at agencies and departments in the United States government, or even with a commercial email service like Gmail." Comey then explained that the initial marking of emails as classified or not is irrelevant. "[Email] participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified, are still obligated to protect it."
"With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find any direct evidence that Secretary Clinton's personal email domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was hacked successfully. But given the nature of the system and the actors potentially involved, we assess we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private, commercial email accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account."
"We also assess that Secretary Clinton's personal email domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal email extensively while outside the United States including sending and receiving work-related emails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton's personal email account. So, that's what we found."
Nothing to see here, move along
BohemianBabe · M
@sunsporter1649 Yeah, we already knew that. What she did was irresponsible, it was stupid, but they didn't jail her because it wasn't illegal.
What exactly did you want to be done? Did you want her imprisoned for being stupid?
What exactly did you want to be done? Did you want her imprisoned for being stupid?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@BohemianBabe Oh I get it, demonocrats can not possibly do anything wrong or illegal, it's in the constitution, right?
BohemianBabe · M
@sunsporter1649 My brother in Christ, the Republicans investigated her for over a year and didn't find any crimes. Are you saying they missed something?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@BohemianBabe Oh I get it, demonocrats can not possibly do anything wrong or illegal, it's in the constitution, right?
BohemianBabe · M
@sunsporter1649 What did she do that was illegal?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@BohemianBabe Which means nothing President Trump did was illegal also, right?
BohemianBabe · M
@sunsporter1649 Taking classified documents home, then lying about it to the FBI, is definitely illegal.
And of course, we're only talking about this one scandal. Getting into ALL of Trump's crimes would take a lot more time.
And of course, we're only talking about this one scandal. Getting into ALL of Trump's crimes would take a lot more time.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@BohemianBabe It's not illegal, the fbir said so
BohemianBabe · M
@sunsporter1649 The FBI said what Trump did was legal? Source?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@BohemianBabe comey said it was ok for the hildabeest, why not for President Trump?
BohemianBabe · M
@sunsporter1649 Because she didn't take classified documents or lie to the FBI.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@BohemianBabe And what else did the tooth fairy tell nyou?
"110 emails, in 52 email chains, have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was 'Top Secret' at the time they were sent; 36 of those chains contained 'Secret' information at the time; eight contained 'Confidential' information at the time."
"Separate from those, about 2,000 additional emails were up-classified to make them confidential...FBI also discovered several thousands of work-related emails" that were not turned into State in 2014. Comey goes on to say the FBI found no evidence that those work-related emails had been "intentionally deleted", positing that, like many emails users, Sec. Clinton would periodically delete emails and/or purge emails when devices were changed. Or emails may have been deleted as "personal", again unintentionally, by her lawyers who only used the header information as search terms to determine what was to be deleted and did not view their contents, as the FBI did."
"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information. For example, seven email chains were classified at the 'Top Secret Special Access Program' at the time they were sent and received...There is evidence to support the conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton's position, or in the positions of those with whom she was corresponding about those matters, should have known an unclassified system was no place for that conversation."
"None of these emails should have been on any unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these emails were housed on unclassified, personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff like those found at agencies and departments in the United States government, or even with a commercial email service like Gmail." Comey then explained that the initial marking of emails as classified or not is irrelevant. "[Email] participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified, are still obligated to protect it."
"With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find any direct evidence that Secretary Clinton's personal email domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was hacked successfully. But given the nature of the system and the actors potentially involved, we assess we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private, commercial email accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account."
"We also assess that Secretary Clinton's personal email domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal email extensively while outside the United States including sending and receiving work-related emails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton's personal email account. So, that's what we found."
"110 emails, in 52 email chains, have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was 'Top Secret' at the time they were sent; 36 of those chains contained 'Secret' information at the time; eight contained 'Confidential' information at the time."
"Separate from those, about 2,000 additional emails were up-classified to make them confidential...FBI also discovered several thousands of work-related emails" that were not turned into State in 2014. Comey goes on to say the FBI found no evidence that those work-related emails had been "intentionally deleted", positing that, like many emails users, Sec. Clinton would periodically delete emails and/or purge emails when devices were changed. Or emails may have been deleted as "personal", again unintentionally, by her lawyers who only used the header information as search terms to determine what was to be deleted and did not view their contents, as the FBI did."
"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information. For example, seven email chains were classified at the 'Top Secret Special Access Program' at the time they were sent and received...There is evidence to support the conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton's position, or in the positions of those with whom she was corresponding about those matters, should have known an unclassified system was no place for that conversation."
"None of these emails should have been on any unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these emails were housed on unclassified, personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff like those found at agencies and departments in the United States government, or even with a commercial email service like Gmail." Comey then explained that the initial marking of emails as classified or not is irrelevant. "[Email] participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified, are still obligated to protect it."
"With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find any direct evidence that Secretary Clinton's personal email domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was hacked successfully. But given the nature of the system and the actors potentially involved, we assess we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private, commercial email accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account."
"We also assess that Secretary Clinton's personal email domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal email extensively while outside the United States including sending and receiving work-related emails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton's personal email account. So, that's what we found."
BohemianBabe · M
@sunsporter1649 Can you link me to the part where they found that she had classified material?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@BohemianBabe "Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information. For example, seven email chains were classified at the 'Top Secret Special Access Program' at the time they were sent and received...There is evidence to support the conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton's position, or in the positions of those with whom she was corresponding about those matters, should have known an unclassified system was no place for that conversation."
BohemianBabe · M
@sunsporter1649 So she was careless with classified information. She didn't steal classified information. Correct?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@BohemianBabe Nope, she just put it on a server in her bathroom, and her communication devices, where all secret documents belong, right?
BohemianBabe · M
@sunsporter1649 Well we agree that she was careless and stupid. I'm asking if she did something illegal, such as taking the classified documents home, then lying to the FBI about it.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@BohemianBabe “Clinton could not recall any briefing or training by State related to the retention of federal records or handling of classified information.”
“Clinton recalled being briefed on special access program (SAP) information but could not recall any specific briefing on how to handle information associated with SAP’s.”
“Clinton was certain she signed an agreement memorializing her access to SAP material, but she could not recall specific detail.”
“When Clinton’s BlackBerry malfunctioned, her aides would assist in obtaining a new BlackBerry. After moving to the new device, her old SIM card was disposed of by her aides. Clinton did not recall how any data stored on the device was destroyed.”
“Clinton did not recall receiving any emails she thought should not be on an unclassified system.”
“Clinton did not recall receiving guidance from State regarding email policies outlined in the Foreign Affairs Manual.”
“Some aides had access to Clinton’s BlackBerry and email accounts, but she could not recall specifically who had access.”
“Additionally Clinton did not recall any specific routine for deleting emails from her account while Secretary of State, nor did she recall ever receiving any messages indicating her account was reaching a storage limit.
“Clinton did not recall a State policy on confirming classified information and media reports.”
“After reviewing an email dated December 11, 2012 with the subject line ‘FW: Significant FOIA Request,’ Clinton stated she did not recall the specific request and was not aware of receiving any FOIA requests for information related to her email during her tenure as Secretary of State.”
“Clinton did not recall being read-out of her clearance or any SAP’s by State personnel.”
“Clinton recalled being briefed on special access program (SAP) information but could not recall any specific briefing on how to handle information associated with SAP’s.”
“Clinton was certain she signed an agreement memorializing her access to SAP material, but she could not recall specific detail.”
“When Clinton’s BlackBerry malfunctioned, her aides would assist in obtaining a new BlackBerry. After moving to the new device, her old SIM card was disposed of by her aides. Clinton did not recall how any data stored on the device was destroyed.”
“Clinton did not recall receiving any emails she thought should not be on an unclassified system.”
“Clinton did not recall receiving guidance from State regarding email policies outlined in the Foreign Affairs Manual.”
“Some aides had access to Clinton’s BlackBerry and email accounts, but she could not recall specifically who had access.”
“Additionally Clinton did not recall any specific routine for deleting emails from her account while Secretary of State, nor did she recall ever receiving any messages indicating her account was reaching a storage limit.
“Clinton did not recall a State policy on confirming classified information and media reports.”
“After reviewing an email dated December 11, 2012 with the subject line ‘FW: Significant FOIA Request,’ Clinton stated she did not recall the specific request and was not aware of receiving any FOIA requests for information related to her email during her tenure as Secretary of State.”
“Clinton did not recall being read-out of her clearance or any SAP’s by State personnel.”
BohemianBabe · M
@sunsporter1649 So that's a no.
So you see how this is different from what Trump did? Both were bad, but only one was illegal.
So you see how this is different from what Trump did? Both were bad, but only one was illegal.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@BohemianBabe Oh, I get it, pretending ignorance is your defense of the hildabeest, eh?
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