Looking back, how often has social conservatism been on the right side of human rights and wellbeing vs social liberalism?

@BRUUH

1) The idea that fitness is important to health is not uniquely a conservative idea.
2) You appear to be conflating the liberal idea that shaming people for being unhealthy is unhelpful at best and damaging at worst with the notion that being unhealthy is desirable.

@Pikachu 1)gay people being allowed to marry predates liberalism or leftism, but you woukd still include it in things the left was right about historically. The social far right was severely correct on a highly fit and athletic youth being nessecary to an optimal way of life.
2)Nah, im talking about the advocasy of the positive representation of body types that would be unhealthy bmi.

@BRUUH

1) that was not a response to what i labeled 1 lol. And indeed there wre other times and cultures where gay way a-okay...but more recently it has been the socially conservative who would deny them rights and the socially liberal who would grant them...so not sure what your point was.

2) There should be positive representation of unhealthy body types because those people deserve to be seen as people and not just fat.
You're conflating issues here.
There has never been a time where doctors and other health professionals have not made clear what i healthy and what is not healthy in terms of weight. This is not a socially conservative ideal and therefore does not count as an example of something that being socially conservative got right.

@BRUUH It was a responce lol. My point was that attributing the pro gay stance to the left despite it pre dating the left, thus making it not uniquly left, is analogous to attributing the pro fitness stance to the right despite it not being uniquly socially conservative.
You recognize pro gay is not uniquely left, but count it as something the left was historically correct about. I bring up a right wing position central to fascism, which they were correct on, but suddenly you say it doesn't count bc it isn't unique to the right. I gave you what you asked for, but then you alter the criteria after the fact. Get the point, now?

2)That's a goof reason to show "positive" representations of something that literally kills millions. You think unless we represent this negative characteristic positively (positive representation) people will see fat fucks as inhuman? Conservatives voted for Trump, who is a fat fuck. Why don't you advocate representing black lungs from years of smoking positively, other wise we might dehumanize smokers LMFAO.

@BRUUH


No i don't think i do.
What do you mean when you say "the left" ?
Because historically, human rights are indeed moved forward by the socially liberal, not the socially conservative.
I fear you're making the same mistake as people trying to talk about republicans and democrats here....


My dude....listen to what you just said. You're making my point.
You seem to be having trouble grasping the nuance at play here, the difference between advocating for obesity and not shaming people for their obecity.

Nothing you've said so far shows me that you understand that difference.
Would you like to try again?

@Pikachu k. Replace my usage of left with socially liberal. Now do you get the point?

You think its dehumanizing that i call them fat fucks, and based on my meaness.. a stranger on the internets... you think this makes the point that we shoukd positively represent something that kills more people than the holocaust? I kinda don't think me doing that makes your point, haha.

Anyhoo, should we Shame ppl for their obsesity? I deff think we should stigmatize it on some level. But we definitely shouldnt represent it "positively" as you say we should, or at least i assume you said that since you literally said "there should be positive representation".

@BRUUH

No i don't...because you have yet to actually make a point. You've made a vague assertion that embracing homosexual rights is not socially progressive.
You even seem to undermine your own earlier example that advocating physical fitness is a socially conservative ideal.


Yes.
Because your uninhibited reaction to obese people is to dehumanize on the basis of their obesity.
That's a problem.
Again, you don't seem to be able to grasp the difference between advocating for obesity and advocating for treating obese people as more than their obesity.

@Pikachu I made no such assertion? Gay rights ARE societies progressive. My point was that tge standards you use to exlude the fascists stance on fitness as right, would be use to exclude something you know to be stochastic progressive as such.

Bro, you need to read back. You are very confused, about pretty much everything.

I do grasp the difference. We can portray fat people positively, adhd that's fine. But that isn't the same as portraying fat IN people positively. You said we need positive representation of unhealthy body types, not people with unhealthy bodies. That's like saying we need positive represenation of blackened lungs from smoking

@BRUUH


I'm not getting this. Could you perhaps rephrase?


Yeah...well it seem like we're agreeing on that. But i'm not sure how this is an example of something social conservatism got right and social liberalism got wrong?

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I'm sorry if that's what i conveyed to you because what i was attempting to communicate was the inverse of that statement.
We need positive representation of people with unhealthy bodies, not positive representation of unhealthy body types

@Pikachu I can rephrase it later but i gotta do some shit real quick.

If you agree with me overall then we are good.

I don't think it is an example of something social liberalism got wrong per se. Just kinda something social conservatism got right, or at least the far right got correct. I think eugenics, fascism, and nazism are correct to herold an athletic body type for a goid society, and encourage athleticism, even to the point of stigmatizing deconditioning. Even if someone is a nerd lets say, studies even show it improves brain function. I think fascism is based... on this one topic.

But just for the record, american conservatives are often so far from an ubermench its laughable. Nick fuentes is a alt right fascist dude... who is also a video game addicted un masculine individual; like everything Adolf feared the Jew would condition young white men to become.