Looking back, how often has social conservatism been on the right side of human rights and wellbeing vs social liberalism?

Black folks not being property, women getting to vote, gay people getting the same rights as every other citizen...these are the things that were opposed by the socially conservative and championed by the socially liberal.
These days the socially conservative like to label progressive social ideas as "woke" and this is meant to be a dirty word...but you could easily apply "woke" to the idea of treating slaves as human beings or thinking that women actually are competent adults who can vote.

If you're being honest, how often has being socially conservative proved to be on the wrong side of human well-being?

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canusernamebemyusername · M

Problem is social conservatives think that owning slaves and women and oppressing gay people IS a good thing. That's why they keep fighting for it. Even with a near 100% social failure rate.
In that case it always a matter of gatekeeping and moving the goal posts.
"If only we can oppress these final people all suffering would cease. If only those people were more Christian Jesus would come back. Etc..."
Utopia is always just over the next oppression.

Pikachu

@canusernamebemyusername

It is startling that there remain people who still advocate for such ideas.
But even most socially conservative people (at least in most western and/or developed nations) accept things like gay rights, blacks as citizens and women as equal to men...and that's a result of social liberalism prevailing.

canusernamebemyusername · M

@Pikachu Yeah. Any socially liberal progress that then becomes normalized over time they will then co-op and try to claim credit for. Like Lincoln freeing the slaves they think has anything to do with modern republicanism. Or how Hinduism claims they where the first to discover the multiverse. Or Judaism was the first to discover genetics cause of that sticks and goat story.
Actually you do find that co-oping a lot in religion. Probably cause religion has generally been the single largest conservative monolith for millennia.

Pikachu

@canusernamebemyusername

Like Lincoln freeing the slaves they think has anything to do with modern republicanism.

lol someone in this thread has already attempted to deploy that red herring.