Keir Starmer fires someone for supporting rail strikes.
It's called the Labour Party but you are not allowed to support the Labour movement. Just say boring things and nod because.
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Philth · 46-50, M
It's all coming together now.
The reason that JC faced the most comprehensive media assault in recent history is the same reason that Starmer hasn't: Starmer is part of the British Establishment and unlike Corbyn, doesn't represent a threat to the comfy times of the elite.
Labour no longer represents the average citizen, its just a polling booth punchbag for when racists in Middle England get fed up with seeing brown people and want to teach the Tories a lesson, without actually having any fears about 'the enemy within'.
The reason that JC faced the most comprehensive media assault in recent history is the same reason that Starmer hasn't: Starmer is part of the British Establishment and unlike Corbyn, doesn't represent a threat to the comfy times of the elite.
Labour no longer represents the average citizen, its just a polling booth punchbag for when racists in Middle England get fed up with seeing brown people and want to teach the Tories a lesson, without actually having any fears about 'the enemy within'.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Party discipline. Members of the shadow cabinet were instructed not to join the picket and that MP chose to defy the whip.
On the grounds of fairness, I cannot sympathise much with the rail strike action. Train drivers' salaries have been inflated by two decades of 'competition' between competing rail franchises. Now the system is effectively nationalised (in all but name), those workers need to realise that they are in the same queue as teachers, nurses, prison officers and civil servants, and that in this context they are doing rather nicely.
Many people are under pressure and strike action should be used only as a last resort. I think Keir Starmer has correctly gauged public opinion in this instance.
On the grounds of fairness, I cannot sympathise much with the rail strike action. Train drivers' salaries have been inflated by two decades of 'competition' between competing rail franchises. Now the system is effectively nationalised (in all but name), those workers need to realise that they are in the same queue as teachers, nurses, prison officers and civil servants, and that in this context they are doing rather nicely.
Many people are under pressure and strike action should be used only as a last resort. I think Keir Starmer has correctly gauged public opinion in this instance.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SunshineGirl There are a lot of myths going around about wages, particularly of RMT workers.
https://fullfact.org/economy/RMT-strike-salary/
For me, it's not the point to juxtapose rail workers with other sectors. Fwiw, I'm a teacher and we are also getting hit by the cost if living crisis. The government want workers to have rivalries with each other, for obvious reasons.
Corporate profits are high and increasing, including amongst the train companies. If the RMT are successful in gaining concessions then other sectors may be successful in their disputes and other companies will have to pay better wages to retain staff. Look at France, where they have a much more active union movement and how difficult it is there to undercut worker pay and conditions.
The last opinion poll I saw showed public support for the strike split pretty evenly down the middle. I would also bet that of those supporting the strike, a high number are Labour voters. The Conservative government is against the strikes and wants to ban them, which is bad news for all of us.
For sure, Tarry knew he was daring Starmer to fire him by challenging the leadership's position. The problem is, as I see it, that Starmer's position was wrong to begin with.
https://fullfact.org/economy/RMT-strike-salary/
For me, it's not the point to juxtapose rail workers with other sectors. Fwiw, I'm a teacher and we are also getting hit by the cost if living crisis. The government want workers to have rivalries with each other, for obvious reasons.
Corporate profits are high and increasing, including amongst the train companies. If the RMT are successful in gaining concessions then other sectors may be successful in their disputes and other companies will have to pay better wages to retain staff. Look at France, where they have a much more active union movement and how difficult it is there to undercut worker pay and conditions.
The last opinion poll I saw showed public support for the strike split pretty evenly down the middle. I would also bet that of those supporting the strike, a high number are Labour voters. The Conservative government is against the strikes and wants to ban them, which is bad news for all of us.
For sure, Tarry knew he was daring Starmer to fire him by challenging the leadership's position. The problem is, as I see it, that Starmer's position was wrong to begin with.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 Yeah, our NDP has it's right wing of the party who think the way to win is to become the Liberal Party with a different spelling. And the Liberals are just Tory light with vague progressive talking points and photo ops for the culture war.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Thomas Mulcair and that worked out well for him.
Though I'm of the left, I have scaled-down expectations for social democrats. If they are half-decent I will support them but Starmer is consistently and relentlessly shit. Starmer has all the bad points of Blair, just with no charisma or political skill.
Though I'm of the left, I have scaled-down expectations for social democrats. If they are half-decent I will support them but Starmer is consistently and relentlessly shit. Starmer has all the bad points of Blair, just with no charisma or political skill.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Burnley123 I think Tom Mulcair as nice as he is (met him) destroyed all the work Jack Layton accomplished.
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
It's a terrible look. Avoid talking policy and people will fill in what they can. Something like this forms a picture. After all the corbyn stuff i kikda understand keir wanting to avoid policy and keeping the party together as much as he can. This though. Any maybe labour voters will see a red tory from this
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@thatscottishguy Starmer was elected based on a promise to run down the middle of the party. Its a died-in-the-wool factional hack for the Blairite right.
The only battles he is prepared to fight are with the left of his own party.
The only battles he is prepared to fight are with the left of his own party.
thatscottishguy · 26-30, M
@Burnley123 thats fair. Recent conversations have made me feel i get him more but yeah you cant ignore how this looks
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Entwistle I really hate the Tories and I'm an actual member of the Labour Party. I just wish Starmer was just not quite as shit, incompetent and right-wing. If he was two out of three, I would take that.
smiler2012 · 56-60
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@HootyTheNightOwl It affects me personally too but I still support the strike.
It's the one tool that working people have. Pay is frozen and prices increase. Profits are also increasing. The rail workers should not be in this situation so fair play to them.
The Labour Party Party is supposed to stand up for working people, not vacate the stage.
It's the one tool that working people have. Pay is frozen and prices increase. Profits are also increasing. The rail workers should not be in this situation so fair play to them.
The Labour Party Party is supposed to stand up for working people, not vacate the stage.
@Burnley123 It's going to be even worse in London, though.
Surely, they have other ways to protest that don't risk the possibility of innocent people potentially losing their jobs because they can't get to work on time because of the strike and extra pressure on the road network.
Surely, they have other ways to protest that don't risk the possibility of innocent people potentially losing their jobs because they can't get to work on time because of the strike and extra pressure on the road network.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@HootyTheNightOwl What other way? I'm open to solutions, as I'm sure is Mick Lynch
senghenydd · M
The Labour MP who has been sacked broke a un-written rule he's done more harm than good.
senghenydd · M
@Burnley123 The Labour Party has lost ground in the last ten years many Labour seats lost in Scotland due to the rise in the SNP and in the North of England the "Red Wall" is crumbling.
Labour has to win seats if they wish to form a government, I hate to see battles inside the Labour Party I know full well the consequences it results in a lost election, politicians feel deeply for the people they represent it's a double edged sword on times.
I looked up an article on the Forde Report from the Guardian they provided an interesting report you are quite right the in fighting didn't help at all, I always felt Jeremy Corbyn was a good Labour Leader however he lost a General Election by a eighty seat majority by a landslide as a result the Labour Party lost a very good leader.
What's happening in Ukraine is influencing our inflation I honestly believe it will rocket in the next year with raising fuel and food costs, there will be more workers striking for better pay, who ever will be our next Prime Minister will be in for a difficult time.
Labour has to win seats if they wish to form a government, I hate to see battles inside the Labour Party I know full well the consequences it results in a lost election, politicians feel deeply for the people they represent it's a double edged sword on times.
I looked up an article on the Forde Report from the Guardian they provided an interesting report you are quite right the in fighting didn't help at all, I always felt Jeremy Corbyn was a good Labour Leader however he lost a General Election by a eighty seat majority by a landslide as a result the Labour Party lost a very good leader.
What's happening in Ukraine is influencing our inflation I honestly believe it will rocket in the next year with raising fuel and food costs, there will be more workers striking for better pay, who ever will be our next Prime Minister will be in for a difficult time.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@senghenydd I don't think that Starmer's answer is the right one. I am an active party member and will vote and canvass for labour despite him doing everything possible against people like me.
As a strategy, I'm not sure it even works in its own terms. Poling has not be great , in spite of very favourable circumstances. There are no policies or narrative. I never expected him to be like Corbyn but I expect something.
The only political battles he fights is to punch down on the left. Whether it be expelling Corbyn and undermining trade unions. This doesn't help electability.
As a strategy, I'm not sure it even works in its own terms. Poling has not be great , in spite of very favourable circumstances. There are no policies or narrative. I never expected him to be like Corbyn but I expect something.
The only political battles he fights is to punch down on the left. Whether it be expelling Corbyn and undermining trade unions. This doesn't help electability.
senghenydd · M
@Burnley123 It's always tough at the top the only route is down one party leader has just been toppled a Boris Johnson what a surprise it happens Sam Tarry is linked to Angela Rayner Deputy Labour Leader this could be a way of getting rid of Keir Starmer, Sam's action could of been deliberate I put the Labour party first MPs come and go rocking the boat loses elections.
Sam Tarry has been sacked there is a question being asked is Keir Starmer the right Leader for the Labour Party maybe he isn't, time will tell, I do know Sam Tarry now faces his constituency party shortly and could well be de-selected from standing at the next election.
I'll leave this argument I feel we have reached a point where it would be pointless to go on you have your views and I have mine, Labour needs MPs who don't rock the boat if I was a member of Sam Tarry's constituency party I'd be voting for him to go.
Sam Tarry has been sacked there is a question being asked is Keir Starmer the right Leader for the Labour Party maybe he isn't, time will tell, I do know Sam Tarry now faces his constituency party shortly and could well be de-selected from standing at the next election.
I'll leave this argument I feel we have reached a point where it would be pointless to go on you have your views and I have mine, Labour needs MPs who don't rock the boat if I was a member of Sam Tarry's constituency party I'd be voting for him to go.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
GeniUs · 56-60, M
Politicians do not come from the ranks of the working classes but what choice is there at the ballot box?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@GeniUs Sam Tarry does come from the working class.
GeniUs · 56-60, M
@Burnley123 So did John Prescott and look what a greedy, hypocritical, aggressive, dick he became once he got a whiff of power. One of my most hated politicians and that takes some doing.
Don't really know about Tarry I will look him up. I used to go to school with a lad whose brother is now a Labour politician, occasionally see his comments on Facebook, not sure about him either (Bell).
Don't really know about Tarry I will look him up. I used to go to school with a lad whose brother is now a Labour politician, occasionally see his comments on Facebook, not sure about him either (Bell).