You would think, after 6 years of allegations upon allegations, investigation after investigation, they would have found something to indict him for. He has his name on a building here in Chicago, maybe they can indict him for the Trump Tower making an obscene gesture 😂 [image deleted]
@LordShadowfire It is cheap, vulgar and [i]should[/i] be beneath you. By now, you shold know I don't need to distract. Try using words that have meanings beyond logorrhea. Wouldn't "scoundrel" have worked, assuming it is true? Vehemence is no substitute for clarity or effectiveness.
@LamontCranston [quote]By now, you shold know I don't need to distract.[/quote] Yet here you are, fixating on one word in the sentence because you're too scared to address the rest of it.
@LamontCranston You and I both know the average American sees nothing wrong with crass obscenities, and uses them as casually as one uses a tissue to wipe one's nose. Being petulantly offended by it is an intentional and deliberate distraction.
@GJOFJ3 Several things have been found. But Trump is Teflon. Others have been indicted on considerably less, including Trump’s own advisers and attorneys.
@GJOFJ3 Did you not hear the audio of him trying to bully the state secretary of Georgie into "finding" him more votes? Nobody can keep up with all the crimes Trump commits, it's a full-time job. But I don't believe you're unaware of ANY of his crimes.
@GJOFJ3 [quote]What have they found? I’m not trying to be argumentative I really don’t know[/quote] He erased part of his cell phone history. He insisted that no pictures be taken of him during the insurrection, which would seem to imply that he was doing illegal stuff. He erased the history of the cell phones of his secret service guys. Mostly, the concrete evidence we have is of him getting rid of evidence.
@LordShadowfire I’m trying to look at this from a legal perspective and you just made my point better than I could have. I can’t go to a grand jury and say I want him indicted on this concrete evidence that I don’t have, but I believe he committed a crime and deleted all the evidence. Here is what I believe has been proven: Trump had some really bad advisers like Sidney Powell and others telling him some totally crazy stuff about voting fraud that was proven untrue Trump believed the bad information and should not have Trump said some real crazy things about election fraud without any evidence Trump was wrong in not conceding the election once it was certified As bad and stupid all that is, it is not a crime. After 6 years of accusations and investigations and accusing him of all kinds of crimes, and there is still nothing to indict him on, maybe, just maybe it’s time to give it a rest and move on
@GJOFJ3 [b]Trump’s[/b] not moving on. He’s [b]still[/b] claiming that the 2020 election was fraudulent. And now credible witnesses from [b]his[/b] Secret Service are claiming that he wanted to be part of the Jan 6 event where people tried to overrun the Capitol building, and deaths resulted. The POTUS. And if he’s planning to run for president again, how can his behavior be overlooked ?
@bijouxbroussard Credible witnesses like Ms Cassidy “something to the effect of” Hutchinson? And you are not trying to blame Trump for the capital police shooting and killing Ashley Babbit, an unarmed civilian are you? This much I am sure of, if they had EVIDENCE of a crime he would have already been indicted. So far we have lots of speculation and accusations. This is not a defense of anything Trump said or did. I’m simply looking at this from a legal standpoint. They have yet to identify a crime he can be indicted for. They’re still digging, maybe they will find something
@GJOFJ3 [quote]Ashley Babbit, an unarmed civilian[/quote] was committing the act of insurrection, and got what she had coming. You appear to be muddying the waters.
No, what I'm saying is that he intentionally stirred the pot and incited the protesters to commit illegal acts. That [i]is[/i] illegal, if it can be proven.
@GJOFJ3 Babbit may’ve been unarmed, but she was with a mob (some of whom [b]were[/b] armed) breaking and entering, and was shot by a police officer when she tried to climb in through a window that had been shattered. Would [b]you[/b] have a problem shooting a burglar coming in with folks who don’t mean you any good ? If we’re speaking of [b]laws[/b], that breach was illegal.
Trump tweeted encouraging his supporters to protest the fact that he lost the 2020 election. [b]That’s [/b] not even in dispute. So, by doing that, and taking his time calling anyone off, he contributed to what happened.
Heck, Charles Manson didn’t personally participate in either the Tate nor the LaBianca killings—his followers did, at his bidding. He went to prison right along with them.
If Trump wasn’t who he is, he would be held responsible for inciting an insurrection. Why [b]hasn’t[/b] he been charged ? I’d love to know why the GOP (the folks who once impeached a president over a blow job) is defending a president who sic’d an angry mob on his own VP for following the rule of law and not colluding with him.
@LordShadowfire It difficult to debate someone this intellectually dishonest. You can’t possibly believe it is ok for police to kill unarmed citizens just because they are committing a crime. We had a whole summer of riots and unrest to prove to the country and the world that we do not believe that is ever ok.
@GJOFJ3 We had protests because police routinely shoot unarmed black men (and women) at traffic stops and in their own [b]homes[/b]. Neither of which was the case with Ashli Babbit. Trump, you may recall, had a message about bringing the National Guard out to shoot and [b]kill[/b] any of the civil rights protestors who might loot. (Remember his “clever” bon-mot [b]You Loot, We Shoot[/b] ?)
Consider the fact that his supporters heartily agreed with both that [b]and[/b] with freeing Kyle Rittenhouse (who wasn’t even law enforcement and certainly not supposed to be at a BLM protest carrying an AR-15) when [b]he[/b] killed two protesters. That indicates what most of us have [b]always[/b] known: Trump and the people who support him are only concerned with Babbit because the police (consistently for once) killed someone on [b]their[/b] "side". They couldn’t care less, otherwise.
I’ve tried to express my feelings without making things personal. I respect you and your posts on other subjects, and have for [b]years[/b]. But in terms of "intellectual dishonesty”, you might want to take a closer look at whom [b]you’ve[/b] been defending.
@LordShadowfire You don’t know who cleared the secret service phones and you don’t know it wasn’t exculpatory of Trump. You’re making claims you can’t back up.
@redredred Okay, yeah. Because again, innocent people destroy evidence all the time. Besides which, dipshit, we've got records of Trump fanning the flames with his tweets perpetuating the big lie, as well as testimonial evidence that he wanted those insurrectionists to be armed. I'm sorry, I know you were looking forward to overthrowing the United States government and replacing it with a totalitarian Trump regime, but it's not happening.
