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BohemianBabe · M
He's not wrong. America should be transitioning to more affordable energy so we're not dependent on Big Oil and Dictatorships.
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HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@BohemianBabe Relax...for God's sake...learn to take a joke
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MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
I think he likes pain when pumped.
Driver2 · M
I don’t care where he likes to get his pain from
He’s just another liberal snob that needs to disappear
He’s just another liberal snob that needs to disappear
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
Funny, in most states the license plates for electric cars are $3,000.00 or more. This is done here because they don't pay the gas tax, due to being electric. One question I have about them is how much is a new battery and how is the old one disposed of? Also at what cost?
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@wildbill83 I agree, but none of the environmentalist want to talk about that. I wonder why?
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@nudistsueaz greenies all have the same limited mental capacity, they're incapable of examining things from a practical, economical, and logistical standpoint. They're the kinds of people that invest in any new thing that comes along, and when it doesn't work out, they blame everyone else for their own inadequacies
ElwoodBlues · M
@nudistsueaz
IN short, assuming 150,000km of travel over the life of the car, energy and carbon footprint of an equivalent EV is about HALF that of a gasoline car. See my post and follow the source links.
One question I have about them is how much is a new battery and how is the old one disposed of? Also at what cost?
See my post about the lifetime energy cost and lifetime carbon footprint of electric cars. IN short, assuming 150,000km of travel over the life of the car, energy and carbon footprint of an equivalent EV is about HALF that of a gasoline car. See my post and follow the source links.
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
Tax credits aside, the power grid is too shaky for electric cars. Plus recharging time? Not really practical here.
My oil etfs and trusts are paying very good dividends.
My oil etfs and trusts are paying very good dividends.
RedBaron · M
@Crazywaterspring How is that relevant?
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
@RedBaron Federal and local tax credits cover part of the cost of these vehicles
RedBaron · M
@Crazywaterspring Thanks, Captain Obvious, but you missed my point. How are your oil investments relevant?
ElwoodBlues · M
@sunsporter1649 says
Try googling autotrader new chevy bolt for sale
Never mind, you'll probably mess it up, so I did it for ya!!
Autotrader - New Chevrolet Bolt EV for Sale
New 2022 Chevrolet Bolt LT w/ Convenience Package
. . . 31,175 MSRP $37,475 Save $6,300
New 2022 Chevrolet Bolt LT w/ Convenience Package
. . . 27,780 MSRP $37,080 Save $9,300
New 2022 Chevrolet Bolt Premier w/ Sun & Sound Package
. . . 31,690 MSRP $40,990 Save $9,300
New 2022 Chevrolet Bolt Premier w/ Launch Edition
. . . 34,690 MSRP $43,990 Save $9,300
DUUUDE!!! They cost HALF what you claimed!! Are you ALWAYS this far wrong?????
Hey Pete, give me $60,000 so I can enjoy those benefits
Wassamatta, dude, never learned to use Google???Try googling autotrader new chevy bolt for sale
Never mind, you'll probably mess it up, so I did it for ya!!
Autotrader - New Chevrolet Bolt EV for Sale
New 2022 Chevrolet Bolt LT w/ Convenience Package
. . . 31,175 MSRP $37,475 Save $6,300
New 2022 Chevrolet Bolt LT w/ Convenience Package
. . . 27,780 MSRP $37,080 Save $9,300
New 2022 Chevrolet Bolt Premier w/ Sun & Sound Package
. . . 31,690 MSRP $40,990 Save $9,300
New 2022 Chevrolet Bolt Premier w/ Launch Edition
. . . 34,690 MSRP $43,990 Save $9,300
DUUUDE!!! They cost HALF what you claimed!! Are you ALWAYS this far wrong?????
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
And as always you failed to understand the very basic concepts and of course you lie about it.
60K? Are you high?
60K? Are you high?
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow It is quite clear to me that @sunsporter1649 has no desire to understand.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@CorvusBlackthorne Send us a picture of yours
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@sunsporter1649 Send me an X-ray of your brain proving it exists.
ElwoodBlues · M
Pete is right. Electric cars have a FAR lower total cost of ownership as well as a FAR lower carbon footprint - even when powered by the typical North American grid.
These graphs are for Vancouver CA in 2018, so energy costs are similar to the US; however energy is represented in megajoules - there are 3.6 MJ in a KWH, and 1 MJ = .37 horsepower hours. It assumes 150,000km of travel over the life of the car, about 93,000 miles.
Lifecycle CO2 costs (these include extracting & transporting oil)
Lifecycle energy costs
Source: https://sustain.ubc.ca/sites/default/files/2018-63%20Lifecycle%20Analysis%20of%20Electric%20Vehicles_Kukreja.pdf
And yes, the US has the electric capacity. Now.
BTW, lithium batteries are great because they recycle so well.
And, lithium salts dissolved in hot geothermal wells has minimal environmental impact.
These graphs are for Vancouver CA in 2018, so energy costs are similar to the US; however energy is represented in megajoules - there are 3.6 MJ in a KWH, and 1 MJ = .37 horsepower hours. It assumes 150,000km of travel over the life of the car, about 93,000 miles.
Lifecycle CO2 costs (these include extracting & transporting oil)
Lifecycle energy costs
Source: https://sustain.ubc.ca/sites/default/files/2018-63%20Lifecycle%20Analysis%20of%20Electric%20Vehicles_Kukreja.pdf
And yes, the US has the electric capacity. Now.
If all US cars were EVs, they would need a total of 1,106.6TWh, which is 27.6% of what the American grid produced in 2020.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2021/11/13/electricity-grids-can-handle-electric-vehicles-easily--they-just-need-proper-management/Is There Enough Electricity for EVs? Yes. Here’s Who Will Charge Them.
https://www.barrons.com/articles/theres-enough-electricity-in-the-world-for-electric-vehicles-heres-who-will-charge-them-51605368406 The world has 8,000 gigawatts of installed electricity generation capacity, according to the International Energy Agency. In theory, if the capacity ran 24-7 it could generate 69 million gigawatt hours of electricity annually.
The world consumed about 27 million gigawatt hours of electricity in 2019. That electricity warmed homes and ran businesses. What’s more, the world consumed the equivalent of roughly 28 million gigawatt hours of electrical energy to power its cars and trucks. That energy, of course, was stored in liquid fuel. Power plants didn’t have to generate it. Gasoline and diesel make most of the world’s vehicles go.
So 27 plus 28 is 56. The world needs 56 million gigawatt hours to keep the lights on as well as drive cars and trucks. There is 69 million gigawatt hours of capacity.No problem. But the generating capacity of wind and solar, of course, can’t be “on” 100% of the time. And even coal, nuclear, and hydro power plants have to take maintenance downtime. Still, there looks to be some spare generating capacity and the world’s 2 billion or so vehicles won’t convert to battery power all at once.
The world consumed about 27 million gigawatt hours of electricity in 2019. That electricity warmed homes and ran businesses. What’s more, the world consumed the equivalent of roughly 28 million gigawatt hours of electrical energy to power its cars and trucks. That energy, of course, was stored in liquid fuel. Power plants didn’t have to generate it. Gasoline and diesel make most of the world’s vehicles go.
So 27 plus 28 is 56. The world needs 56 million gigawatt hours to keep the lights on as well as drive cars and trucks. There is 69 million gigawatt hours of capacity.No problem. But the generating capacity of wind and solar, of course, can’t be “on” 100% of the time. And even coal, nuclear, and hydro power plants have to take maintenance downtime. Still, there looks to be some spare generating capacity and the world’s 2 billion or so vehicles won’t convert to battery power all at once.
BTW, lithium batteries are great because they recycle so well.
Study: Recycled Lithium Batteries as Good as Newly Mined > Cathodes made with novel direct-recycling beat commercial materials
15 Oct 2021
https://spectrum.ieee.org/recycled-batteries-good-as-newly-mined15 Oct 2021
And, lithium salts dissolved in hot geothermal wells has minimal environmental impact.
The new 'gold rush' for green lithium
Geothermal brine could become a promising and sustainable source of an essential element for the renewable energy transition
24th November 2020
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201124-how-geothermal-lithium-could-revolutionise-green-energyGeothermal brine could become a promising and sustainable source of an essential element for the renewable energy transition
24th November 2020
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
ElwoodBlues · M
@sunsporter1649 So you didn't read the part of my post where I quote FORBES and BARRONS about grid capacity?? DUUUDE!!! You're asking questions I ALREADY ANSWERED!!!
Actually, you can set a schedule in your electric car telling it when to start charging. And people have been doing that for years!
Actually, you can set a schedule in your electric car telling it when to start charging. And people have been doing that for years!
Scheduled Charging and Scheduled Departure
Toggle between Scheduled Departure and Scheduled Charging by touching Controls > Charging > Switch to Scheduled Charging/Scheduled Departure when Model 3 is in Park.
An informational icon, calling your attention
Note
Scheduled Charging/Scheduled Departure settings are also available on the Climate Controls screen and in the Tesla mobile app.
Think of Scheduled Charging as "When do I want charging to start?" compared to Scheduled Departure Off-Peak Charging which is "When do I want charging to be complete?"
Scheduled Charging can be used together with Scheduled Departure Preconditioning but not with Scheduled Departure Off-Peak Charging.
Scheduled Charging/Scheduled Departure settings are automatically saved for each location.
Straight off the Tesla website, idiot!!!Toggle between Scheduled Departure and Scheduled Charging by touching Controls > Charging > Switch to Scheduled Charging/Scheduled Departure when Model 3 is in Park.
An informational icon, calling your attention
Note
Scheduled Charging/Scheduled Departure settings are also available on the Climate Controls screen and in the Tesla mobile app.
Think of Scheduled Charging as "When do I want charging to start?" compared to Scheduled Departure Off-Peak Charging which is "When do I want charging to be complete?"
Scheduled Charging can be used together with Scheduled Departure Preconditioning but not with Scheduled Departure Off-Peak Charging.
Scheduled Charging/Scheduled Departure settings are automatically saved for each location.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
Pete...you dropped your hat
BizSuitStacy · M
Occasionally, they speak the truth.
SmoothKnight · 51-55, M
Pain at the pump...gotta be a Freudian metaphor in there somewhere...
BohemianBabe · M
@SmoothKnight Pump in the pain.
DffrntDrmmr · M
Buttigieg Enjoys Pain in the Rump
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
My dear friend Shadowfire acquired a hybrid vehicle for only eight thousand dollars last year. Are you unable to shop as carefully as he?
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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
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