Dread to think what working life would be like had trade unions not existed
56-60, F
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MarkPaul · 26-30, M
Well, as someone in the labour relations field, trade unions certainly have their place but like anything there are pros and cons when you scratch beneath the service. In terms of giving workers a voice where they had none, yes they have provided an important service. In terms of driving up costs for consumers, creating unnecessary conflict between companies and their workers, and holding out for a level of entitlements that have literally bankrupted some companies their negative influence cannot be overlooked.
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@MarkPaul 🤦♂️
Claiming yet another credential you do not have and posting a vapid surface level take.
And these are all long debunked right wing myths.
Claiming yet another credential you do not have and posting a vapid surface level take.
n terms of driving up costs for consumers, creating unnecessary conflict between companies and their workers, and holding out for a level of entitlements that have literally bankrupted some companies their negative influence cannot be overlooked.
And these are all long debunked right wing myths.
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@MarkPaul how's it unnecessary? If people or unions don't speak up then they get exploited
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Loopysoutherner MarkPaul likes to pretend he is an expert in everything and pretend he is a Liberal while spouting Bush/Blair era right wing nonsense.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@Loopysoutherner Again, I'm not disputing the voice they give to workers. That is much needed, that is necessary, and that is a positive. The conflict that often ensues to gain more entitlements than are reasonable (or that a company can actually afford, long-term) is what is unnecessary and actually detrimental to all concerned.
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@MarkPaul what's unnecessary is raising inflations but not workers wages
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I'm not promoting Bush/Blair right wing policies. And, Blair was his own man, so I'm not sure why you are trying to resurrect the trope that he was just a lackey.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@MarkPaul Your choice of words betrays this as right wing BS. It is neither an "entitlement" (right wing buzz word) , unnecessary or detrimental . Again these are long debunked talking points.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Well, there you go again disputing, without any evidence whatsoever, my credentials.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@MarkPaul You are. You just are so clueless you are not even aware of the Overton Window or that non of your ideas are remotely original.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@MarkPaul You have no credentials and you prove yourself a fraud daily.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@Loopysoutherner Yes, again, once again, and still I am not arguing that there isn't a favourable place for trade union achievements. And, YES, with inflation workers need a voice at the table. That doesn't mean though that there isn't a greedy downside to those same trade unions. See now?
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@MarkPaul wanting an increase in wages is being greedy?
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow These are not debunked talking points. Anyone with any analysis chops knows this is the downside of trade unions. Do you even know anything about trade unions? I'm in the field, on-the-line with the workers; you're sitting at a computer table with your feet up, no doubt.
You would not stand a chance of getting a job if you interviewed with me.
You would not stand a chance of getting a job if you interviewed with me.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@Loopysoutherner Are you able to distinguish between wanting a reasonable increase in wages and wanting a greedy increase in wages?
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@MarkPaul They are debunked and for a long time by several sources. The fact you don't know that further proves your claims of expertise to be nonsense.
All you have done is spout decades old, disproven cliches.
All you have done is spout decades old, disproven cliches.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@MarkPaul I don't interview with con artists.
Loopysoutherner · 56-60, F
@MarkPaul so you consider the RMT wanting a 7 per cent increase whilst living during a time where inflation will be rising to 11 percent greedy?
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I don't subscribe to the theoretical idea of the Overton Window.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@MarkPaul Wow. Now you are even arguing to justify paying poor wages.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@MarkPaul If you knew anything you would know union reps are not random idiots who just make up numbers for fun.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@MarkPaul Lol. Meaning you don't know shit about politics which you prove here daily.
Words have definitions. You seem to think words mean whatever you feel like.
Words have definitions. You seem to think words mean whatever you feel like.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@MarkPaul You certainly are arrogant enough to think the entire field of political science should cater to your whims.
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
@Loopysoutherner It seems like you have an argument-agenda you are going to push regardless of what is said. Once again and again and again... I am not arguing against workers having a voice, workers getting reasonable wages for work performed, and being treated with proper behaviour. But, I don't believe everything trade unions do is reasonable. What don't you get?
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@MarkPaul And now you play the victim when you get called out on your nonsense. True to form.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@MarkPaul And yes you are spewing all the same tired cliches used to argue against unions for longer than you have been alive.
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