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My thoughts on Donald Trump.....

Former U S President Donald Trump was,in my opinion,the best President there has been for the lower and middle class since Ronald Regan.His common sense economic policies produced an unprecedented time of prosperity,his tough stance on illegal immigration was long overdue and his foreign policy made it clear that under his watch America was no longer going to be pushed around.And he was perhaps the greatest allie to Israel ever seen.He was horribly abused by his political opposition and treated with a mostly total unfairness by a dishonest media.Ill always respect the wonderful things he has done for this country,but I think there is one more thing he should do;perhaps for him the most difficult thing of all:DONT RUN FOR ANOTHER TERM.Although its for reasons that are mostly not his fault,it is clear that it would not work out.The corrupt leftists would simply continue there dishonest and illegal attempts to oust him from power,and they'd be obstructing him at every turn,with the corrput establishment media cheering them on.Also,there are significant amount of Never-Trumpers(or as I like to call them,PEOPLE-DISATTACHED-TO-REALITY)who wouldnt vote for him at all.And if one were to be honest,the fact is that the man is getting old.Unlike the senile idiot currently there,he does still possess is mind,but older is older and everyone slows down at a certain point.The best thing that Donald Trump could do is pass off the office to a younger person with the right temperament who can take his ideas into the next cycle(Ron DeSantis!)Am I right?

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GrinNude · 61-69, C

Trump is not a friend to Israel. No wonder he resoundingly lost the Jewish vote. Leading down the road to apartheid instead of democracy.

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pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M

@GrinNude This one... I disagree with you on... There is no apartheid... there is however a Jewish State... and it requires defending - there will never be a "two state solution". There is a Palestinian state - it is called Jordan. If they do not want to live in Israel they can move there... not a problem.

MartinII · 70-79, M

@GrinNude His derogation of Obama’s nuclear “agreement” with Iran demonstrates the opposite.

pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M

@MartinII I thought that was a huge mistake of Trumps.. the agreement with Iran was immeasurably better than the alternative which will inevitably lead to hostilities.. and perhaps severe ones... Understand that I am a Jew and one who on Israel is pretty right wing and an uncompromising defender of that nation...

MartinII · 70-79, M

@pdqsailor1 I disagree. The Obama agreement relieved Iran of some of the obligations to which it had previously been subject under the Non-Proliferation Treaty, and promised complete freedom to pursue its nuclear programme in 20 years. In essence it was an act of appeasement. Still, in the context of this thread the important point is that it demonstrated Trump’s support for Israel, whether one considers it was wise or not.

pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M

Trumps support of Israel was the singular point of agreement I had with him... not much else but that part - yes.. I think not having Obama's (Kerry's) agreement in place with Iran will inevitably lead to dramatic conflict with Israel - when Israel says never again they darn well mean it and if that means obliterating every living breathing thing in Iran to protect Israel then that is what is going to happen...That is a very dangerous set of consequences...and far worse than the Obama agreement was...@MartinII

GrinNude · 61-69, C

@pdqsailor1 if there is no apartheid, then why can't the Palestinian residents in the West Bank in Gaza vote?

The answer is simple. Because it is not a democracy it is a system of apartheid.

pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M

In Gaza which is not Israeli territory they have Hamas - why do you not ask them why they can not vote... @GrinNude... To vote in an Israeli election you need to be an Israeli citizen - over a million Arabs have elected to be citizens.. some others choose not to be citizens.. They are residents not citizens by their choice...that is not apartheid. For the first time an Arab party held the balance of power in the government... Muslims sit on the Israeli Supreme Court... How many Jews serve in parliament in Jordan? Oh I forgot every Jew was expelled from Arab lands and No Jew was allowed to visit the Western Wall during Jordanian occupation of Jerusalem... how short sighted of me. You really want me to go on?

GrinNude · 61-69, C

@pdqsailor1 you mentioned Jewish state. The only Arabs that can vote there were born in the Jewish state. Does your Jewish State include the West Bank? If so why can't the Arabs in the West Bank vote if they are living in part of the Jewish state. If by Jewish state, you are including the West Bank, then that is not democracy. That is apartheid. You can't have it both ways.

pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M

Living there and taking up the obligations and privileges of citizenship willingly are different and becoming citizens is entirely up to them, which means military service in the IDF taxes etc. ... @GrinNude

GrinNude · 61-69, C

@pdqsailor1 Palestinians living in the occupied territory are controlled by Israel but have no civil rights.

GrinNude · 61-69, C

@pdqsailor1 Israel’s discriminatory system of governing Palestinians in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) constituted apartheid, a crime under international law.

pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M

If I live in Florida - I am not a US citizen and I have no civil rights.. no constitutional rights I am a RESIDENT and what you call "occupied lands" we call the territories of Judea and Samaria.. Look no one gave them Jordanian citizenship or civil rights from 1948 until June of 1967 and I did not hear the world cry foul then... you know why? Because Jews did not control the land - Muslims did.. so forgive me for pointing out that these arguments - are less than credible... but hey nice try.... @GrinNude

pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M

If you say so... read my other response - I am not persuaded.@GrinNude

GrinNude · 61-69, C

@pdqsailor1

Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories is a form of apartheid and is illegal under international law. First paragraph

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M

These were under no definition Palestinian territories... When did Palestine exist as a distinct nation, what was its form of government? Standing army? Currency, potage stamps? Before you spout line and verse on bullshit try learning that the Ottoman Empire lost control over the land as a consequence of WWI and then it was under British administration - who created the Kingdom of Jordan out of part of the land.. then 1948 happened... and you best read up on the subject before you even attempt to teach me anything about it.. You do not have a CLUE as to who you are speaking to in me... but if you insist on getting an education we can go on like this for a very long time... Jordan you see fucked up big time in June of 1967 and they got their asses handed to them... for their misdeeds and poor judgement.. they btw never had a right to occupy the land they did from 48 to 67 either... they just did it... so be very VERY careful arguing with stuff you do not have a clue about and stop being so certain about things you know very little about...@GrinNude

GrinNude · 61-69, C

@pdqsailor1 Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories is a form of apartheid and is illegal under international law.

First paragraph below.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

GrinNude · 61-69, C

@pdqsailor1

pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M

Jimmy is a legendary anti semite ... if you depend upon his perspective then you are truly barking up the wrong tree.. There are sound reasons that nothing has progressed in this sphere since his presidency... and there are sound reasons why it never will either.. @GrinNude

GrinNude · 61-69, C

@pdqsailor1 I have never read Jimmy Carter's book I go with the amnesty International viewpoint. Would face it if there's a one-state solution, then Israel cannot be both a Jewish state and a democracy unless it has a system of apartheid. Because a one-state solution with democracy would not be a Jewish state. That is why they have this system of apartheid.

Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories is a form of apartheid and is illegal under international law. First paragraph

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M

Amnesty international has no standing to decide these things... I or any other Jew should concern ourselves with them deciding our fate? No... The Palestinians who have chosen not to be citizens of Israel are residents of what is and has been since 1967 Israeli territory, welcome to remain or welcome to take up residence elsewhere.. They were sold down the river by the aggressive war that was conducted by Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan in June of 1967 and there are real consequences to such actions... there is not any guarantee of negotiating an alternate solution as others would like to shove down Israel's throats... Before you even THINK about judging Israel I want you to think of a time from 1948-1967 when Jews were prevented from visiting the wailing wall in Jerusalem... when every synagogue was destroyed in occupied Jerusalem and I want you go consider just how equitable and fair the Jews have been SINCE June of 1967. @GrinNude

GrinNude · 61-69, C

@pdqsailor1 The settlements and the occupation violate international law. Plain and simple.

pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M

Hmm if you insist on saying so but but but...... which army is going to enforce your views and more importantly who cares? @GrinNude

GrinNude · 61-69, C

@pdqsailor1 I am a member and a supporter of J Street. J Street cares very much about Israel and realizes how badly the Occupation effects Israel's democracy and long term interests.

pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M

Mazel Tov, with friends who have outlooks like yours Israel does not need enemies, you would sell them down the river in a heartbeat........ My Father was an officer in the Palmach in 1948, serving with a man named Yitschak Rabin who ended up being a future Prime Minister of Israel and was assassinated for views sympathetic to your own... My family were among the founders of the town of Rishon LeZion some of whom were there in the 1800's and I have plenty of family in the country now..... me - I am when it comes to the State of Israel you are speaking to a right wing hard ass......and I don't flinch I have met the family of the late Meir Kahane..Z'L" and I hold his memory in the highest esteem...@GrinNude

GrinNude · 61-69, C

@pdqsailor1 Please, opposing the occupation does not make J Street and I are enemies of Israel. The internationally recognized borders of Israel are the pre-1967 borders. That is a fact. When the United States defeated Germany and Japan during world war II, we occupied them temporarily. But we had no right to keep their land and build settlements and control them forever and act as if we owned their land. We didn't violate international law the way Israel is doing and has only gotten away with it because of the US veto has been sheltering them from their illegal activities. That's the truth. Those are the facts. You don't have to like them. You can ignore them. You can pretend that isn't true. But it is. Peace to all.

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