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Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
I disagree with the all or nothing mentality of the extremists on both sides. All the social issues we face could be solved if it was possible to have a reasonable conversation and respond without malice from either side. Prohibition of anything doesn't and hasn't worked. It doesn't matter if it is alcohol, drugs, abortion, or prostitution.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Roadsterrider I understand.
Reasonable conversation seems to be a thing of the past.
I'm as guilty as anyone.
In my defense - I have found that attempting to compromise is often taken as a sign of weakness and then the opposition piles on.
Maybe it's a weakness of social media. Cuz, I really have to trust someone before I can negotiate / compromise. And, while we know some screen names here on SW - we REALLY don't know any one. It's even worse for politicians, they DO know each other and that they would sell you down the river in a heart beat.
You've hit upon a real problem.
Reasonable conversation seems to be a thing of the past.
I'm as guilty as anyone.
In my defense - I have found that attempting to compromise is often taken as a sign of weakness and then the opposition piles on.
Maybe it's a weakness of social media. Cuz, I really have to trust someone before I can negotiate / compromise. And, while we know some screen names here on SW - we REALLY don't know any one. It's even worse for politicians, they DO know each other and that they would sell you down the river in a heart beat.
You've hit upon a real problem.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@Budwick A "reasonable" conversation would include an honest description of the problem and, the true magnitude of the problem. How other products have been treated in similar legislation.
For issues like abortion and "assault rifles", what has banning other products done for the root problem? Prohibiting alcohol, prostitution, drugs, we eventually figured out there was no effective way to ban alcohol and taxed it instead, prostitution and drugs are available in every city in the country, like alcohol, prohibition hasn't done anything except create a subject for organized crime to exploit.
Regarding the magnitude of the problem, rape, incest and medical necessity, less than 1% of abortions is touted as why abortions absolutely shouldn't be any more rigorously controlled. For "Assault rifles", although they comprise less than 1% guns used in homicides, banning them is the only acceptable action to stop mass shootings.
If you question the proposed legislation to further regulate abortion, the response is "So you are okay with women being forced to deliver a baby resulting from a rape?" For gun control, the result is "So, you are okay with someone going into a school and shooting children?"
The extremists don't have the ability to modulate "feelings" to discuss the issue. I am a moderate who is getting pushed into being an extreme right position and choosing the lesser of two evils.
For issues like abortion and "assault rifles", what has banning other products done for the root problem? Prohibiting alcohol, prostitution, drugs, we eventually figured out there was no effective way to ban alcohol and taxed it instead, prostitution and drugs are available in every city in the country, like alcohol, prohibition hasn't done anything except create a subject for organized crime to exploit.
Regarding the magnitude of the problem, rape, incest and medical necessity, less than 1% of abortions is touted as why abortions absolutely shouldn't be any more rigorously controlled. For "Assault rifles", although they comprise less than 1% guns used in homicides, banning them is the only acceptable action to stop mass shootings.
If you question the proposed legislation to further regulate abortion, the response is "So you are okay with women being forced to deliver a baby resulting from a rape?" For gun control, the result is "So, you are okay with someone going into a school and shooting children?"
The extremists don't have the ability to modulate "feelings" to discuss the issue. I am a moderate who is getting pushed into being an extreme right position and choosing the lesser of two evils.
Budwick · 70-79, M
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@Budwick There are more than 2 Bud. I grew up in West Virginia, WV used to be the home of mostly "yellow dog democrats". I go back home now and the only democrat that gets talked about like he is a human being is Manchin. Election signage is 10 to 1 for republican candidates. Most of the country are moderates, whether they have a D or an R on their voter registration card, and they are being alienated by the far left that the DNC belongs to.
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@Roadsterrider I agree, no one group, person, side or idea has all the answers. A most flourishing society would have a mix of opinions. But guess which side will call you a ‘far right troll’ or ‘Hitler’ if you disagree on absolutely anything they are told to think?
smiler2012 · 61-69
@Budwick i rather agree with your sentiment this is an hot topic on similar worlds and can get heated between the two rival factions . this then ends up becoming a childish squabble with name calling and the point of the question gets put to the back . i know you will disagree but i think the present of trump and his hard core followers can be a reason for a lot of the disharmony on similar worlds on the topic of politics. i am not blaming the trumpsters wholly as it is six of one and half a dozen of the other and i am as personal guilty in this
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@pianoplayingsteve They may compare those of us who are conservative to Hitler or label as far right trolls, I have been called names before, it usually lets me know that whoever I am talking to doesn't have the ability to address the topic of conversation except for their feelings about it, no logical argument, and I end the discussion. Over the years there have been a few who came back later and asked about my position, and we were able to have a civilized conversation, some changed their way of thinking, and some didn't. I try to discuss any topic with anyone who will reasonably discuss an issue.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@smiler2012
So, the mere presence of a Trump supporter causes disharmony?
That sounds like a "YOU" problem to me.
Not allowing a Trump supporter to exist seems a bit extreme to me.
i think the present of trump and his hard core followers can be a reason for a lot of the disharmony on similar worlds on the topic of politics
So, the mere presence of a Trump supporter causes disharmony?
That sounds like a "YOU" problem to me.
Not allowing a Trump supporter to exist seems a bit extreme to me.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@Budwick Aww, come on Bud, you are putting words in his mouth, he didn't say they shouldn't exist, just that they shouldn't be voicing their opinion.
Personally, I figure if something evokes a powerful enough response to make me angry or fearful, I should look at that issue and decide for myself if it is a problem or not. Most of what the far right and the far left want to espouse defies logic.
Personally, I figure if something evokes a powerful enough response to make me angry or fearful, I should look at that issue and decide for myself if it is a problem or not. Most of what the far right and the far left want to espouse defies logic.
smiler2012 · 61-69
@Budwick if you try tolerance and do not need too be rude too people when they critical of trump granted this should be both sides . i never one minute suggested trumpster should not be on similar world i was trying too point out where a lot of the aggression comes from . we need too remember similar worlds is a forum and you are going to get differences of opinions that is natural .rather than make it into a slanging match with what you do not agree with just tone down the response again it goes for both camps not just trumpsters
smiler2012 · 61-69
@Roadsterrider it is not there opinion that really bothers me as it is a forum and there will be difference of opinions . what it needs is them to tone down there rhetoric when reply to comments about trump they do not like and cut out the personal insults .this goes for both sides really as it causes a lot of ill will on similar worlds
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
@smiler2012 You and I are in agreement on that.