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Another Second Amendment Special Operation Shooting at Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas

IT HAS JUST BEEN CONFIRMED THAT 14 CHILDREN AND ONE TEACHER ARE DEAD.
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helenS36-40, F
There must be a change, a change in the culture, in America.
The gun fetishism is incomprehensible, when looked at from the outside. 馃槓
I love America and I met so many beautiful people there, but this one element of US culture I simply can't understand.
windinhishair61-69, M
@helenS I'm a lifelong resident, and I can't understand the gun fetish either. These are CHILDREN!
helenS36-40, F
@windinhishair How can American mothers (and fathers!) accept that as a price society has to pay for the "freedom" to own guns???? 馃槩
windinhishair61-69, M
@helenS They must love their guns more than their children. Sadly true.
Elessar26-30, M
@helenS I see it like I see the bullfighting thing in Spain. Remnants of a long past that are so deeply rooted in the culture that you can't realistically expect them to go anytime soon, no matter how bad they objectively are.
Justenjoyit56-60, M
@helenS brainwashed
helenS36-40, F
@Elessar I understood that the gun fetishism in America is a relatively young phenomenon, and almost nobody owned a gun in the 19th century.
windinhishair61-69, M
@helenS It has just been confirmed by Governor Gun Abbott that [b]14 children and a teacher are dead![/b]
helenS36-40, F
@windinhishair A proud nation committing suicide. 馃槙
Elessar26-30, M
@helenS Sure, but that's a variable that you can control by disseminating a certain kind of propaganda. My point is, easy access to guns (independently from whether people will ultimately get them or not) is the remnant.
Diotrephes70-79, M
@helenS Have you ever seen any American movies? They are full of violence and shootings. Some have more killings in them you lose track of how many people got killed. It's great practice for being a witness to a real crime. Over the years I have probably seen a million shootings in the movies.
@helenS And Texas is the state willing to make its women human incubators supposedly in the interests of preserving "life" ? For what ? So their lives can be be lost when they鈥檙e school age ? 馃槼
Diotrephes70-79, M
@helenS America was built on the gun culture. Guns were used to displace the Indians, fight wars, oppress slaves, fight duels, fight gang wars. An American without a gun is a naked person.

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helenS36-40, F
@Diotrephes "America's gun culture is an [u]invented tradition[/u]. It was not present at the nation's creation, whenever we fix that point. Rather, it [u]developed in a single generation[/u], among those who experienced the onset of the Civil War and that disaster itself. All cultural attributes have a starting point, and a path of development. America's gun culture is unusual only in that one can determine the precise period in which a specific artifact became central to a nation's identity and self-conception. [u]Prior to the 1860s, guns were not perceived as a significant component of America's national identity[/u], essential to its survival. The literature on early American culture repeatedly locates the core values of most Americans in either religious or liberal sensibilities, though this is obviously a sweeping generalization. The prosperity and survival of the United States depended on the grace of God, or civic virtue, or the individual's pursuit of self-interest. The notion that a well-armed public buttressed the American dream would have appeared harebrained to most Americans before the Civil War. But starting in the 1850s, cultural and social standards began a fairly rapid shift that soon placed guns in ever more American hands and at the core of essential cultural values. [u]By the mid-1870s, males in the United States had a fixation with firearms that any modern enthusiast would recognize and salute.[/u]"
Source: [i]https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/b/bellesiles-arming.html[/i]
I've subscribed to the online version of the NYT. Not sure whether you have access to the NYT archives without subscription.
Diotrephes70-79, M
@helenS Review American history. American culture has always included guns. One of the first gun control laws was passed before the ink was dry on the Constitution. The SCOTUS eventually ruled it unconstitutional.
@Diotrephes [quote]An American without a gun is a naked person.[/quote]
All this time, I've been running around naked, I guess.