Why the right in the US support Putin

@lumberjackslam 2012 discoveries and US greed was as much the cause of this as anything. You can say what you want about Nordstream but in reality it's just plain idiocy to screw with other countries political evolvings.

@lumberjackslam Traditions like killing any political opponents (even the ones abroad), corruption at every level of the govt, 2nd world economy with an elite of oligarchs using public funds to buy yatches in Cyprus (now seized lmao).. but hey, at least they only have two genders! /s

@SteelHands I might be as paranoid as Putin if there were NATO missiles pointed at my backside right across the border.

@lumberjackslam Putin isn't afraid. He's executing a strategy. Globalist big oil wanted to exclude Russian oil from a seat at the table.

That's a rather untenable insult. Even if it's just itty bitty Russia were talking about. (sic)

@SteelHands Well I like these types of theories. anyways be careful thinking out of the box.

@lumberjackslam Where'd ja get that? CNN? It ain't a theory. If you got something on the 2/3 loss in the black sea I'd be glad to hear your news. Otherwise I think you got no prize in that Bracker Jax Box you been lookin in.

@SteelHands Yes I might be guilty of watching CNN. But only when I need some good comedy.

@SteelHands Russia's primary export partner is the EU (and the UK), for like almost 50% of their whole export. With the ecological transition, both of them would've bought *more* methane from there than oil from anywhere else, yet he just de facto kicked his own country out of a deal that would've been extremely favourable to them for the sake of a (failing) attempt at expansionism.

Turned out Putin is just as dumb as his avg. western supporter.

if anybody supports Putin I give this guy Elessar permission to blow them away. But he won't find too many folks in the US supporting Putin. most Americans don't want to get involved in Eastern European geopolitical conflict at all

@lumberjackslam It's astoundingly wrong headed to suppose that a conservative capitalist would side with a mobster communist.

This claim is typical of the (il)liberal mindset that the narrative needs to be dominated by (Dems) who are as guilty as the necons for their idiotic foreign policy and shifty domestic behaviors that led to this tragic situation.

Think about this. Those folks both here and in western EU were calling Zelensky a weak turd dealing with (Trump) the supposed backmailer, at exactly the crucial time when he needed respect through Europe and friends to keep Putin at bay.

They seemed to do everything they could to encourage Putin to do the wrong thing. Calling Trump his bish was another thing.

Who didn't know that Obama Biden and Hillary approved the sale of 25% of US cake stockpiles to a Russian firm?

Who is/was Putin's puppet again?

@lumberjackslam Y'all forgot how the "alt-right" as a whole (from Trump, to Salvini and LePen) was praising him like some sort of demigod who defended/closed borders, embodied Christian conservatism and bare-chested machismo against liberal/western ideals? Until literally two weeks and a half ago.

@lumberjackslam [quote]I might be as paranoid as Putin if there were NATO missiles pointed at my backside right across the border.[/quote] Don't be ridiculous. There was never any direct military threat to Russia. Nothing that excuses Putin blowing off steam by massacring innocent civilians with illegal weapons.

@Elessar @lumberjackslam Agreed. This is why I think Americans are going to distance themselves from both Trump and the Republicans come the mid term elections because of this. The Republicans are now an alt-right party. (P.S. I get the Blackadder reference : P)

@SW-User Trump's failed coup aimed to install something similar in the U.S. I wouldn't be that confident that they won't try again.

@Elessar Well, the Republican Party definitely will, because they know they cannot win by legitimate means; they're just not popular. Whether Trump will be spearheading their attempt is another matter. He's in massive financial and legal difficulties, his health is not great, and his obsession with the Big Lie is turning a lot of people off. Unfortunately, someone more competent may well take the reins...

@SW-User Complete foreign policy incmpetence and core strategic interest ignorance is the hallmark of almost all those who currenty hold office.

Anyone and I do mean anyone that at this moment in time continues the party rhetoric without being specific as to the policy in question and the party that is responsible for implementing it is not making any kind of political headway.

And by the way the average republican voter, whether they are centrist, or right or left of it is so because the Democrats are full blown radical leftie unless there is an election soon. The public knows that.

At least the more well rounded and aware ones. We know the rhetoric. We know the simple minded games played by the lefties. Divide and conquer. Well screw that.

People are suffering and the democrats don't give a shit enough to shut up and not make things worse. So I say fukem.

@SteelHands The Democrats are radical lefties??? Hahahahaha! Biden would be considered centre-right in just about any other country. Bernie Sanders is centre-left at best. But then, seeing as America is a country founded on far-right, deeply conservative religious and racial principles, what do you expect?

@SW-User Other countries heavihanded systems don't mean much to me. Bernies a ultra rich jerk with delusions of totalitariam pipe dreams. Biden is a absolute parrot sock puppet at best and never had a policy he couldn't spin on a dime.

Geeze

You seem not well versed in either of the people you think quaified to hold office. And you certainly never read John Jay or any of the other writers that set forth the founding principle of this free society. Relevant historical events have good and bad but far far far more good by comparisson to foreign systems.

That's why many countries somewhat mimic the US system and why people all over the world want to live here. You may, but I can't advise it, emmigrate someplace else. Many others, yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooou

know, would love trading places with you. Probably not the sons of the Russian Attorney general though. They've stripped Russia bare of it's assets and taken up citizenship in Switzerland, I heard.

If you are voting age and a US citizen qualified to vote maybe try reviewing their records before talking as dumb as those empty heads on the TV.

@SteelHands [quote]Bernies a ultra rich jerk with delusions of totalitariam pipe dreams. Biden is a absolute parrot sock puppet at best and never had a policy he couldn't spin on a dime.[/quote] Yes, these sound like well-reasoned critiques. Clearly you've never read John Jay or any of the other writers that set forth the founding principle of this free society.

I assume you pine for the days of Trump. Well, rest assured that if he returns as president, your free society will be slowly stripped away. If Trump and Putin (best-buds) have taught us anything, it's that all the norms that we assumed we can take for granted in the 21st century, including the inevitability of democracy, count for absolutely nothing. (P.S. I'm not an American and I vote Green).

@SW-User Int'l businessmen and now a patriot statesman can't afford international friendships. Trade partners and trade competition require a negotiator's and diplomatic posture.

Trump presided over mostly honest US corporations while Putin presides over some very dark and hazy international mobs. They have litte in common.

Climate paranoia has been around since the Soviets invented it in 1948. Start reading. Maybe there's hope for you if you shed that fear from the false ideologies you are indoctrinated with.

US is a republic. Shows how much you know.

@SteelHands Regardless of how many "honest" corporations Trump has "presided" over, he is nevertheless an ARDENT admirer of Putin. That much is fact.

The US is indeed a Republic. I know that. So is Russia by the way.

It's no longer climate paranoia, it's climate breakdown. Clearly you believe climate change doesn't exist.

I have nothing more to say to you.

@SW-User Yeah you have a lot of problems there. I don't know why you would use a word like *ardent* referencing that but you should probably say less to keep from sounding both foolish and poorly educated.

Climate charade. What a bupkuss you and others who buy into "human caused or worsened" you all are.

Catch a clue. Humanity isn't even a speck on the geological timeline. Ever hear of solar fusionic variation? Nah? Morons. You stone age people make me laugh.

@SteelHands clearly you’re scared about climate breakdown and I don’t blame you.

And yes i know of solar fusionic variation. This is not it. Sorry

@SW-User Nope. Like I said. Human existence isn't even a pimple on the big ass timeline. Most "educated" science today are teeny tiny minds with big inflated egos.

That they can bw thier horns and through this get $$$ from the government for "research" and "investments" in free of problems "zero emissions" energy is a very unscientific joke.

Scattered solar panel glass in shaved of desert life scattered far as the eye can see. Entire mountaintops fenced off and buzzed off of every tree to become yet another high class suburb for billionaires. Windmills carving migratory birds to shreds that are gigantic heaps of scrap steel after only twenty years. Hectares of forests cleared, massive 5000% worse CO2 release previously stored in soil now in the air from plowed earth areas for corn ethanol.

Morons. Absolute morons believe in climate hoaxes. I know my science. That's because I didn't need a liars permission to learn it. I didn't need a big loan to borrow the books from the library.

Idiots. smh