How many people actually say Israel has no right to exist? I'm pretty sure that's a pretty rare view in America. The unfortunately common opinion is that Palestine shouldn't exist.
@PrincessAwesome the Palestinians had claims, the modern Isreal is mere sci-fi, the USA tax payers are burdened with sustaining. When you understand the constitution, you will know the UN and its agenda is of evil doings.
All land is stolen land. No people have lived continuously on the land where Homo sapiens evolved. The land of the Americas was transferred to the arriving Europeans via the real estate transfer protocol the natives used, conquest.
The Israelis have as much a historical claim to the land as anyone else.
@redredred There was just a handful of Jews in Palestine at the end of the 19th Century. The land got flooded with European Jews who displaced the indigenous people to create a new country. They were not native to the land but foreigners. Israelis are a new nationality.
@Diotrephes have you read the Balfour Declaration?
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Israel is an apartheid state that deserves to be criticized for its abuses, but it's not fair to lump in any criticism of Israel with a statement that it has "no right to exist" (a strange thing to argue about any state, in my opinion).
@SW-User Yet listen to the haters cry for the death of Israel, even now.
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@LordShadowfire For certain there are those that do. There are anti-Semites who thinly veil their anti-Semitism with criticism of the Israeli state (I remember encountering a far-right Christian who said he supported Israel only in that it might encourages Jews to leave Europe and America, something he wanted to see. He said eventually he wanted Israelis to convert to Christianity and there to be no more need for Israel's existence).
{@mickrogers ] yes american settlers did not seem to give much credence the the american natives who had been there a long time before any pioneers arrived. so this seems a bit of a smack of hypocrisy to criticise israel
@smiler2012 I'm referring to all of the war refugees and assorted economic displaced people from various countries. They are all welcomed except for the Black Haitians. The Powers that Be are still pissed that the Haitians defeated three White countries - France, Spain, and England.
@smiler2012 IMO, people have actually gotten more vicious. Never make the mistake in thinking that you are dealing with a rational person when you get into a personal face-to-face conflict. You can end up dead in the blink of an eye even if the person is your best friend, spouse, parent, child, sibling, cop, or stranger.
In national affairs the big wigs use people as cannon fodder for their own amusement. You don't have very much control over that.
When you do something, it should be seen as 'right' or 'wrong' strictly on its own account. Whether anyone else has done something similar is irrelevant. Judging it right, wrong or indifferent should depend solely on its own consequences.
What an absurd thread. Maybe 2-4 comments that make any attempt at rationality, or relate to solving the problems of Arab/Jewish relationships: The rest of it just stupid, spiteful arrogance and hate filled, irrelevant rhetoric.
@Diotrephes I don't know why you addressed your question to me. I harbour no illusion that the conflict between Jews & Arabs can be solved by others, although outsiders can no doubt promote and encourage resolution.
My own cultural heritage includes centuries of horrible cruelty and bloody wars over religion, land, political & military power. Those violent conditions no longer exist. People CAN come to their senses. It's a shame so many have to die in the long slow process.
Can you please provide your source of the numbers for this claim? What are the numbers? I'm not aware of any world survey that would deliver this conclusion.
This is interesting. https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-finds-a-quarter-of-us-jews-think-israel-is-apartheid-state/
Given the [i]fact[/i] that it was the Roman Empire that kicked them out of their own homeland, they should have gotten it back centuries ago if you ask me.
