It's not the Christian Republic of America, so why is it those who are religious can hold the bodies of secular women and of other religions hostage?

@Burnley123 That’s not the legal definition of murder. Killing a comatose or brain dead patient is still murder.

@redredred Abortion doesn't relate to the legal definition of murder:

[quote]https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1111[/quote]

@redredred Nice false equivalence.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow his deciding factor is “sentient”. It was to that quality I responded. Point out the false element please.

@redredred Someone in a coma you might be able to make that argument. But brain death by definition means whatever was defined as the person in that body is gone.


And fun fact the majority of laws are written in such a way that murder requires the victim having been born first. Something to think about.

@redredred Abortions also don't fall under the legal definition of murder.

@Burnley123 never said they did. What I wrote was that it’s not unreasonable for some people to view it as a homicide without religion forming the basis for that view. Also the word I used was homicide not murder. Please acquaint yourself with the distinction

@redredred Your first comment was this:

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@Burnley123 That’s not the legal definition of murder. Killing a comatose or brain dead patient is still murder.[/quote]

Nothing to do with as you say "it's not unreasonable for some people to view abortion as homicide without religion." Also a brain dead patient has nothing to do with abortion. Also, you did in fact say murder, it's in your first comment right there.

You responded to Burnley with a moral argument, suggesting something entirely different. If you mean something different than what you said, you should edit your first comment.

@SatanBurger I responded correctly to another persons use of the term “murder” who claimed it only applied to sentient beings. Many medical conditions humans are prone to cause a loss of sentience and killing those unfortunates can indeed be murder.

Please point out my use of MY moral outlook. I simply pointed out that in a civil discussion, a common ground would allow some reasonable people to view abortion, the ending of a human life (life, undeniably and equally undeniable no other species than human) as a homicide. One need not agree with that position to understand it is a reasonable position.

Last, one need not be religious to object to what one views as a homicide.

@redredred Warfare would be another example of homicide but not murder.