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The problem with religion

I understand the concept of faith and the concept of God. That is fine by me and faith is as important as love or fear.

But you cannot tell me to read books written by men who think they had visions from God. The biggest analogy is modern day cult leaders.

Most of the holy books have different interpretations which change with time. Why so? Are the books too complex or are they changing interpretations as the world evolves? The answer is latter.
Mamapolo2016 · 70-79, F
For me, there is a gulf between belief and religion.

Religion is how some organized group wants me to worship, too often because it benefits the leaders.

Belief is my own personal reaction to a Higher Power. Prayer is not a complaint hotline, nor is it the currency for a vending machine. It's the way I try to understand and align with my God, not try to force God to understand me. God already understands me. That's the nature of God.

The practice of religion far too often creates barriers. And conflict. And judgment for people who are as flawed as those they judge. Like me.

Because I could personally not rationalize "adjustment" in religion - is it eternal truth or isn't it? - I chose this path. I don't expect anyone to agree with me - it's not necessary.

Disclaimer: I do not need to and will not attempt to 'defend my faith.' It's how I believe.
Doometernal · 22-25, M
[@663519,Mamapolo2016] good answer.

I agree with the most.
swirlie · 31-35, F
When the concept of 'religion' was introduced by the church clergymen well over 2000 years ago, it was introduced as a means to control the masses at large. The only people at the time whom were educated, meaning could read and write, were the clergymen themselves as well as their faithful Scribes. The church then introduced the concept of teaching through fear-based logic which continues in the Catholic church to this very day.

The reason fear-based logic had to be used on the masses over 2000 years ago, was because of a little problem involving incest among related family members, as well as the equivalent of a modern pandemic involving the rampant spreading of a sexually transmitted disease we commonly identify with today as being syphilis.

Back then however, syphilis was wiping out the masses faster than the masses could reproduce, which then caused the church to introduce the concept of 'marriage' into the equation, but which also included the new concept of monogamy within a marriage. It was therefore thought by the clergy, that the 'one man-one woman' social concept would stop the spread of syphilis and would technically end the problems associated with procreation through incest.

Religion therefore has it's basis cemented in fear, but under no circumstances was the concept of religion ever believed by the early clergy to be a direct connection with God. Religion was then sold to the unwary that God is to be feared! And it worked for over 2000 years among the Catholics! But the Catholic religion is dying a slow death in North America today because the masses at large are far more educated than they were even 100 years ago. [/c]
Carla · 61-69, F
The bible was written by men.
Scriptures, scrolls, old myths and passed down stories, cherry picked to suit a narrative.
Developing societies in need of direction. How else to explain the unexplainable. And how best to keep people in line? Fear. And how can you dispel that which you cannot see?
Faith in a God is fine for many. It still gives people direction that dont have the internal strength to find it on their own.
In turn, it also is the source of generations of conflict, hypocrisy, the sense of superiority.
So, the problem really isnt religion, the problem is people. With or without it, we can be a horrible species.
Doometernal · 22-25, M
[@548295,Carla] yes. Agreed. That's what I was discussing with a person here below. Check it out.
Northwest · M
[quote]I understand the concept of faith and the concept of God. [/quote]

I don't.

[quote]But you cannot tell me to read books written by men who think they had visions from God.[/quote]

If you understand religion, then you will understand that this is part of the religion gig.
Northwest · M
[@1230464,Doometernal] Google it. 🤣
Doometernal · 22-25, M
[@9416,Northwest] it's a meme which downplays the misfortune of others.

If that'swhat you meant then read the newspaper headlines thr next morning after Tulsa massacre. You'll lose faith in people btw
redredred · M
The real problem with religion is that not a shred of the what they all profess has ANY evidence behind it. The second biggest problem is all religions way under estimate the real complexity, splendor, mystery and beauty of the universe. Simple stories about grandfathers-in-the-sky and eternity in the clouds or in a furnace simply can’t begin to compare with the reality of the universe.
Doometernal · 22-25, M
[@336854,redredred] agreed.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
The problems with religion are to numerous to mention.
Some of those books go through periods of correction. Indeed, interpretations do change, then someone comes along and says "how did we get so far off course" and leads a movement back.
[@1230464,Doometernal] I can't speak for all religions, but some believe that men were inspired by God: prophets.
Doometernal · 22-25, M
[@22111,ImperialAerosolKidFromEP] no such thing as men inspired by God. Reminds me of a cult leader.

Men have flaws and a lot of them.while God according to them don't have any.
[@1230464,Doometernal] Well, as long as you are certain that there is no such thing as men being inspired by God, then yes, you are right to believe that all holy texts are merely flawed works by flawed men
Zonuss · 41-45, M
Unless you yourself have experienced the supernatural in this world ones perception may differ from another. Religion is just an institution guided by intuition and morale. How we conduct ourselves personally is our own business. Only God can judge us in the end. 🌞
dontbekoi · 36-40, F
The bible was written in Hebrew and then it was translated to Greek and then it was translated to English by William Tyndale (in the 7th century)

So, it very well may have different interpretations not only to the translators but also by the individuals who read it.

Also, I can see where you are coming from. I often times question the validity of historical text that has been translated so many times. I also question any reference of division and hate. Those are not the words of God but of man attempting to spread seeds of discourse.
InHeaven · F
No one understands the concept of God
swirlie · 31-35, F
Again, speak for yourself, InHeaven! Who the hell are you to say that "everyone who claims to understand God is the first one lost"? How would you know they're lost? Maybe you're the one desperately lost![/c]
InHeaven · F
...not even going to fall this[@332402,swirlie] I see where you’re getting at 😄
swirlie · 31-35, F
I don't really think you're getting anything![/c]
iamelijah · 26-30, F
I have nothing to say. I'm gonna leave my comments here while enjoying myself reading the thread.
Doometernal · 22-25, M
[@580819,iamelijah] haha. Dont worry my posts are clean. Idiots who post garbage with a black and white view about the world probably blocked me long time ago anyways 🤣
EuphoricTurtle · 36-40, M
that's why religion requires its followers to hold faith over evidence and logic
Doometernal · 22-25, M
[@17323,EuphoricTurtle] agreed.

A population with critical thinking never works in a society where the people who hold the power wanted to keep the status quo
Graylight · 46-50, F
Simply because a text can have different interpretations doesn't mean it's bad text. And just because when holy text explains only part of faith, that doesn't mean it's bad text.

There are as many roads to hey is there are people on the planet. Religion is an attempt to delineate and clarify the tenants of one's faith. Sometimes that means obscuring them; names or means illuminating them.
Doometernal · 22-25, M
[@627992,Graylight] as i said, books are written by men and there are flaws in it.

Trying to find an interpretation is equivalent to trying to filter ocean water for a tiny bit of gold .

We know there's ridiculous amount of gold in oceans but the whole concept of extracting it is flawed to begin with
Doometernal · 22-25, M
[@526179,TurtlePink] well I enjoy your posts too as long as they aren't too weird
GhostPoncho · 46-50, M
I personally don’t have a problem with religion because I’m an atheist. Religion to me is like watching a documentary about another species.
Doometernal · 22-25, M
[@903658,GhostPoncho] makes sense. Not an atheist but I have questions that don't make logical sense.

If God does exist, then why do you need to pray constantly for example? And why does God punish "sinners"? Why can't he create all good people?

That brings up to the question of free will. If our lives are predetermined then did we really sin? And if free will doesn't exist then you should hate God for creating you instead of praying.

Either we have free will and what we do cannot be considered as sin or we don't have free will and it doesn't make sense to pray to God .
GhostPoncho · 46-50, M
[@1230464,Doometernal] Exactly! The problem of evil. God would need to be either evil or not omnipotent to allow evil. In either case why worship such a being? And even if this problem could be solved, why worship at all? Why would such a being even demand to be worshipped? And out of fear? Is that love or a threat?

Makes no sense at all…free will creates the whole host of issue you describe.

In the end we’re just smarter chimps…no logic to any of it.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
Yes the zeitgeist changes and so does the interpretation of the scriptures.
Doometernal · 22-25, M
[@339269,JimboSaturn] true
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." idiom
God Bless President Trump (45,47). God Help Joe Biden...

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