Now, has the world learned the lessons of Vietnam?

@Abstraction biden just gave the arms industry a $85 billion windfall

@sunsporter1649 Both sides do. The big corporations donate peanuts to both political parties and get returns 100 to 1000-fold. It's called Capitalism bought Democracy.

@Abstraction That guy believes in hand-outs not capitalism. Plus, he's anti-American and shoots partridges in pear trees.

@Abstraction You prefer the government doling out contributions to those the government deems worthy?

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@sunsporter1649 You are just making assumptions about which box you want to put me in. Try to follow the conversation.
I prefer that the government represented the people. Democracy. Not buy-you-own-policy-if-you-can-afford-it.

@Abstraction You mean corporations are not populated with people?

@sunsporter1649 You mean people who died from COVID don't count?

@sunsporter1649 When the British controlled the US colonies, they were people. Representing a powerful king. So they had a revolution and founded democracy - liberty, equality, natural and civil rights, and responsible citizenship.
Democracy - where all people are created equal, with equal rights. One vote, one person. Not secret deals in back rooms paid for by political donations.

@Abstraction Fortunately we founded a Constitutional Republic where if you do not like something, you can get things changed, with the consent of the people, as opposed to the demonocrat party's version which is do as I say and to hell with The Constitution

@sunsporter1649 ... and the insurrectionist version which says if you don't like the change, to hell with The Constitution, hang 'em by the balls and the pussy.

@sunsporter1649 You seem to keep trying to turn the conversation into a simple division between Republicans and Democrats. I don't think that's the complete picture and once again because of it, you are missing the point of this conversation. You're trying to put me into a box, and I'm not in your boxes. I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a socialist.
I'm talking about arms industries, health industries and others that give donations to BOTH parties and get what they want. That these things sometimes are NOT in everyone's interests, but the average person only gets one vote every few years while these corporate interests sit in government offices making deals. That's why the US health system, for example, should be the best in the world - the medical knowledge and facilities are great - but isn't. It's ranked #37 because people can't access it. It's so expensive because industries are scooping big profits off the top that don't contribute to health care. No, I'm not talking about Democrat ideas. I'm just talking about affordable health care. Really basic thing. Available in so many countries. People in US die of preventable diseases so that health insurance profits can be maintained. (Eg, practices like use of stock refusal 'Not a covered benefit' and wait to see if they get a legal challenge.)
My comments have nothing to do with the Democrats or socialism.
[quote]Fortunately we founded a Constitutional Republic where if you do not like something, you can get things changed[/quote]
That's the theory. In practice, the wealthiest get the changes that make them wealthier. The hard working Americans who used to be ok are struggling to afford housing and health care and other things. This is because of POLICIES.

@Abstraction Straight from the marxist playbook, congratulations, you can read.

@sunsporter1649 So, you read the Marxist playbook? Interesting.

@MarkPaul There was once a man who had two labels. He went through life deciding which of his two labels things and people belonged to so he could stick a label on it and know if he is supposed to love it or hate it. Didn't matter if it was a conversation, a person or a bewildered cow, everything got one of the two labels.