@spjennifer You'll see.

@Oberon1 No I won't and neither will you, we'll probably both be dead by your calculation of "many generations". 🤔

@Silenvoices word🧐

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow The whole "It WaSn'T tHe TaLiBaN gOvErNmEnT" argument goes away the moment the Taliban starts supporting Al-Qaeda. Honestly if you can't understand that at your age, you probably never will, but here we are. If El Chapo had been backed by the Mexican government & was waging a war on the US, then yeah of course it would be morally acceptable for the US to either invade and infilitrate Mexico and arrest El Chapo and his lackeys if the Mexican gov't refused to give them up. The idea of countries being allowed to shield non-state actors from justice and there's just nothing the rest of the world can do about it it ridiculous on the face of it.

@BlueVeins Yeah no. Nice try to dodge that. Again, non state actors and governments are different things particularly legally. You can't just hand wave exceptions when it is convenient. And they were supporting him but wanted to hand his over for trial. That makes total sense. 🤦‍♂️


Ummm news flash but all the cartels are backed by various politicians. 😂

And sorry but again a terror attack by a non state actor is also not an act of war by a government. You are desperately trying to conflate the two to justify this war.

And funny how infiltrating Mexico and arresting him is the solution for mexico but when it is a poor Muslim country that your own govern knew he fled within months of 9/11 the solution is bomb it till the rubble bounces, invade and occupy for 20 years.

Again, handing someone over is not shielding anyone unless we are making up even more definitions here.


And sorry but legality has nothing to do with what you personally think is morally justified. That is why vigilantism is illegal.

I am thinking you are being dishonest here because I know you are not this clueless.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow a'ight fuck this, left-wing clone of hippyjoe. i don't usually block over arguments, but i'll 100% do it to someone who'll misconstrue shit & say whatever ridiculous shit they have to to support their tribalistic side. Bubye

@SnowBlack I am not moving goalposts. You are doing that by trying to change the topic from war to budget numbers which is irrelevant.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow You're unable to follow a conversation correctly. I didn't accuse you of that, and maybe you should consider a career in spreading political misinformation.

@SnowBlack I can follow it just fine. You are trying to distract from the uncomfortable truth by trying to make it about budget numbers now.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Whatever you say, you're the apparent expert on Afghanistan AND the Mexican cartels, yes, we should have treated the Taliban the same as we do the cartels, that would have been very successful. Hell they should have made you President or JCS, you could have solved all the world's problems! Sure, it was all about "mineral wealth" the one that's still in the fucking ground after 20 years there! 🤡

@spjennifer Lol. I am not the one gullible enough to believe a full scale invasion and 20 year occupation was just over a band of criminals.

Afghanistan has some of the richest mineral deposits in the world but US mining companies can't mine in a warzone and you can't effectively keep airfields in hostile territory which is why it was abandoned. Hell the bases bit was even in official plans earlier in the war.

I read alot and follow a journalist who is ex cartel so I do know a fair bit on the subject. Al Qaeda were amateur hour in comparison and could have been handled in much the same way. But that doesn't further US global empire and it doesn't make the POTUS look like a bad ass.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow You're the expert, you know better than everyone, carry on 👍

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Ghani was born and lived in the Logar Province. And, he was elected into the presidency by Afghans after holding other jobs. It's a pretty sad commentary when you think holding other jobs is some kind stain on someone's personal record.

@msros To me that just confirmed my belief that it was never about Bin Laden.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow True. The objective should have been avenging 911.

@pdockal why isn't this a serious question?

@Elevatorpitches ughhhhh
Yes seriously ???
Did you know your history

@QuixoticSoul That is the attitude for sure. But it doesn't make it right or legal.

Bush did it because being a war criminal actually improves your election prospects in the US. That should make Americans stop and think. Clearly something is very wrong.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Whether it's a crime depends on who wins. If Germany had won WW2, the allies would have been convicted of war crimes instead of the Nazis.

Now there are reports that the Taliban, are executing those who helped the invading forces (viz. the US and UK.), just as Saddam Hussein was executed by the winners of the Iraq invasion.

@Sharon In practice I agree.

It is a problem when the US uses it's claim to moral superiority to justify all of it and never lives up to their own standard.

@MarmeeMarch Irrelevant. But nice attempt at highjacking the conversation with an appeal to emotion fallacy.

Share the wealth of western success doesn’t sound right wing to me lol