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What exactly is wrong with right wing populism happening in Europe?

Whenever it comes to making an ethnostate in the US, a common response I hear from the left is usually something like "You don't own the land. It was taken from the natives."

Ok.... well, when it comes to the right wing populism in Europe..... what exactly can they say at that point considering the plain fact that white people's country of origin is Europe to begin with? Why shouldn't they have the right to make their country the way they want it, since it's always been a white people's continent?
BlueVeins · 22-25
3 responses are better in my opinion in both cases --
1) the country you're born in is an accident of birth, and I, as a natural born citizen of the US, don't deserve here any more than some random person from Zimbabwe would be.
2) without immigration, the populations of most developed countries would decline over time, which causes massive demographics crises.
3) conversely, emmigration from developing countries means more stability (since emmigration acts as a de-pressurizing valve for unhappy citizens), which means we don't end up getting caught in as many wars.

That said, I think open borders are a bad idea since that would burden our social systems and it makes law enforcement harder, but I think there should definitely be some regulated immigration.
@BlueVeins The funny part to me for all the opposition to open borders is that borders are an expensive and time consuming thing to bother enforcing. You want tight borders? Well I hope the taxpayers are prepared to pay for it.
Spotpot · 41-45, M
Right wing populists come with no real solutions they only thrive because of resentment.
@Spotpot the truth at last.

I think a better question to ask is what problens does ethnic nationalism solve?

Oh that's right, none.
MickRogers · 26-30, M
@BetweenKittensandRiots The Natives seemed to get along well long before Columbus showed up. Israel, out of all the countries in the Middle East, is a secular democracy with gay pride parades.

Japan and China are pretty much ethnostates too. Why isn't it wrong when any of them do it?
Stopmakingsense · 56-60, F
Europe isn't all white, either.
Mrjingleswilly · 51-55, M
Good point. @Stopmakingsense
MickRogers · 26-30, M
@Stopmakingsense Natives aren't from North America neither. They come from the Bering Strait.
@MickRogers Nice whataboutism.
Ummmm WW2? Remember how well that went?

Also the idea that Europe has been exclusively white only makes sense if you flunked history.
MickRogers · 26-30, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow It's been the continent of origin of all white people today. That's the point I'm making.
@MickRogers Lol. Moving the goalposts. and the part of Europe that includes "whites" is a tiny portion of north western Europe. So it doesn't even work on that level.
BigAssLeech · 31-35, M
Maybe something to do with the fact that people with non-white skin colors are still humans and shouldn't be treated like vermin, idk
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Making an ethnostate is fucking stupid, snap out of that tribal bullshit.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
This is like asking what is wrong with cannibalism in cannibalistic tribes. They've been doing it for so long it is just their way of life. If it's what they want to do, then who is anyone else to say it's a bad thing?

Ethnostate is just intrinsically wrong. Deciding who can live where based on appearance alone. And it really is only appearance.

We are a single species. Race is a construct and arbitrarily defined as skin color. We could just as easily have defined races on hair and eye color as well.
MickRogers · 26-30, M
@ViciDraco "This is like asking what is wrong with cannibalism in cannibalistic tribes. They've been doing it for so long it is just their way of life. If it's what they want to do, then who is anyone else to say it's a bad thing?"

Then... why can't people just come out and tell us that it's bad? Why do people say "You can't claim the US as yours BECAUSE Europeans stole it from natives"?
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@MickRogers I'm not making the argument that we can't do an ethnostate because we originally stole the land. Most European land was also stolen from other people's at some point. Very few are the actual original inhabitants. But that is beside the point.

We shouldn't have an ethnostate in the US because ethnostates are wrong. They lack in both logical reasoning as well as human empathy. There just isn't any reason for them.
A better question to ask is what problems does ethnic nationalism solve because if your answer is anything other than "NONE." then you're incorrect.

This is a policy that only gets talked about because of Resentment and effectively solves NONE of our problems.
Budwick · 70-79, M
Why shouldn't they have the right to make their country the way they want it, since it's always been a white people's continent?

Haven't you heard?
If you're white ; you're racist.
And that is the end of sane conversation.
MickRogers · 26-30, M
@Budwick True.
Stopmakingsense · 56-60, F
It's like saying "Us first!" Or "Deutschland Uber Alles". It's not right to treat your neighbor as less than yourself. Our common humanity comes first.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
I dunno man. Maybe just that racism is bad.

Are you for real or a troll?

You are either a clever troll or a terrible person. I can't tell which.
Cierzo · M
The only wrong thing about it is that it has not reached power except some Eastern Europe countries.
AmericanaChick · 22-25, F
Having an ethnostate is fine, but when people say "right-wing populism," they really mean Fascism.
Most do have their countries in Europe the way they want them—they’re running them. And most have a history of having colonized other folks’ countries as well. As for Native Americans, they may have roots in the Bering Strait, but they crossed over 20,000 years ago. There is no other place on the planet where the inhabitants aren’t considered indigenous after at least that much time.
MickRogers · 26-30, M
@bijouxbroussard Just don't contradict your already made position once a right wing populist gets into a European government.
@MickRogers ? 🤨
You don't seem to understand the definition of "right wing" in Europe. European conservatives support universal health care, strict gun control, access to abortion, and carbon reduction to reduce global warming. In other words, European conservatives fit the US republican definition of left wing or democratic.

If you want to make common cause with those guys, be my guest!!

 
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