Dr Jordan Peterson - "Medicine kills more people than it saves"...... and this is man that many people consider a leading intellectual?
He's we'll spoken and delivers his material with extreme confidence but crap like this reveals that he is truly ignorant and quite happy to use his un-earned status to peddle something he pulled right out of his ass. [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HttqgJQOuTw]
[quote]"Now that's just a guess and it could easily be wrong....but it also could NOT be wrong!" [/quote] LMAO just brilliant, Jordan. So insightful. And then he goes on to say that medical error is the 3rd leading cause of death.
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Oddly enough his posterior and the CDC data seem to indicate the same sad thing-. Medical care and drugs may be killing people as often as they prolong lives.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow in 2016 a John's Hopkins team of statisticians announced that physician error was the third leading cause of death, and that drug overdose was also probably the second leading cause of death. Taken together, they'd be the leading csuse of US deaths. That's in agreement with this posterior pulled thing. How did you miss the issue?
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow that is your free right-. You want to keep modern medicine above the fray. It's a business. Docs know they're career men first, scientific if their career won't be held back. For the true believers, the deaths aren't important at all.
Well i hope you'll give this more consideration than you did when i shared the science re transgders.
[quote]Medical care and drugs may be killing people as often as they prolong lives. [/quote]
Nope. Objectively, verifiably incorrect. Tell that to diabetics or women giving birth or people with heart disease or people who need blood transfusion or antibiotics. lol no, it's stupid on it's face. And that's generously excluding what Peterson might like to call "public health" like vaccination programs.
[quote]the CDC data seem to indicate the same sad thing[/quote]
It really doesn't but your confusion is not really your fault but really more the fault of the way it's been reported on.
Let's break it down. In a non-COVID year (2019) Heart disease killed 659,000 people, cancer killed 599,600, accidents killed 173,000. That's all "accidents" that occur in a medical situation including unavoidable complications, self-inflicted wounds and uncoordinated insurance issues.
For Peterson to be right, the number of medical accidents would need to be higher than the number of ALL accidents....and i think you can see how that's a logical impossibility.
Beyond that, the study itself has come under significant criticism for it's loose inclusion of what constitutes medical error. For example it includes unavoidable complications as "medical error". Like if you were going to die without surgical intervention and then died during the surgery, that went down as medical error.
There are 2.7 million total deaths per year in the US which means that the estimates made in that paper of 250,000 to 400,000 which means that 9-15% of ALL death would be medical error....which is wild considering that at the time the study was done the total number of deaths in hospital were 715,000 which makes 35-56% deaths in hospitals were due to medical error.
More recent papers give us a number of more like 5,000 deaths directly caused by medical error and around 13,000 where it plays a role.
[b][i] Tl:dr Peterson is ignoring the millions of people who would absolutely die without medicine and the flawed methodology wildly inflated the numbers of deaths due to "medical error" in the 2016 study.[/i][/b]
@Pikachu so you're in with big business medical care and to their team's analysis of their own mistakes. They tend to do no harm, but not in the first place. Let me guess-. Cops can be good for us, too-. Ask them what would happen if we didn't have them. Right?
I'm [i]not [/i]surprised that your response makes no effort to address anything i said but instead deploy an ad hominem fallacy.
Want to take another shot at that?
Even if you want to cry conspiracy on the statistics, the first part of my post blows Peterson out of the water. If you disagree, feel free to provide a rebuttal.
@Stopmakingsense [quote]hat is your free right-. You want to keep modern medicine above the fray. It's a business. Docs know they're career men first, scientific if their career won't be held back. For the true believers, the deaths aren't important at all. [/quote]
That doesn't even make sense especially in response to my comment.
