Elevatorpitches · F
That report has to be reproduced here.. Here it is:
Stanford University researchers studied 18 Trump rallies this year and linked them to a significant spike in COVID-19 cases and fatalities.
Kelly Weill
Reporter
Published Oct. 31, 2020 6:27PM ET
MANDEL NGAN/AFP via Getty Images
Eighteen Trump rallies may have led to more than 700 COVID-19 deaths, including among people who did not attend the rallies, according to a new working paper from Stanford University researchers.
While Joe Biden has tailored his presidential campaign toward smaller, more socially distanced events during the pandemic, President Donald Trump has made a selling point of his packed rallies, where mask use is often scarce. The Stanford paper studied 18 Trump rallies this year, and linked them to a significant spike in COVID-19 cases—approximately 30,000—in surrounding counties.
The paper, from the school’s economics department, has not been peer reviewed, leading epidemiologists to raise some caveats about its findings. However, one such infectious disease expert told The Daily Beast that the study’s broader findings do suggest a post-Trump COVID bump, and further illustrate the effect of wearing a mask.
The study’s authors wrote that their findings affirmed previous warnings about large gatherings.
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“Our analysis strongly supports the warnings and recommendations of public health officials concerning the risk of COVID-19 transmission at large group gatherings, particularly when the degree of compliance with guidelines concerning the use of masks and social distancing is low,” they wrote. “The communities in which Trump rallies took place paid a high price in terms of disease and death.”
Dr. Jeffrey Klausner, an infectious diseases expert at UCLA who was not involved with the study, said it “does indeed raise the possibility that these outdoor rallies increased the incidence of COVID in counties where they occurred.”
Klausner raised several caveats, noting that the study’s authors had not individually counted deaths, but looked at post-rally COVID surges, applied COVID death rates in the affected counties and predicted the number of deaths that had resulted from the rallies. The method meant researchers could not control for certain demographic factors, like the age of the affected people, he said. (Old age appears to be a significant factor in COVID death rates.)
Other epidemiologists, like Michael Mina of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, also urged caution in extrapolating too much from the study.
“There are better ways to look at this data through actual infectious disease epidemic lenses,” Mina told Politico. “It offers a data point, but nothing I would want to draw any strong conclusions from. It is also so overtly political that it makes it hard to distinguish if there were decisions made out of perhaps unrecognized bias.”
Klausner and another epidemiologist who spoke to Politico said the study’s methods seemed generally sound, if a little speculative.
Fifteen of the 18 Trump rallies (held from June to September across multiple states) were held outside. COVID-19 research has suggested outdoor events with good ventilation are safer than indoor events with poor air circulation. Despite that, the researchers recorded a notable uptick in COVID-19 cases in surrounding areas after the rallies. Meanwhile, similar studies on outdoor Black Lives Matter rallies this summer did not find a notable outbreak among protest participants.
The difference might have been mask use, Klausner noted.
Although Black Lives Matter rallies “had crowding, a lot of people yelling, and other attributes we associate with COVID, you had a much higher percentage of mask-wearing,” compared to Trump rallies where fewer people were photographed in protective gear, he noted.
“Lack of masks may have been the key difference between Black Lives Matter rallies and Trump rallies,” Klausner said.
Stanford University researchers studied 18 Trump rallies this year and linked them to a significant spike in COVID-19 cases and fatalities.
Kelly Weill
Reporter
Published Oct. 31, 2020 6:27PM ET
MANDEL NGAN/AFP via Getty Images
Eighteen Trump rallies may have led to more than 700 COVID-19 deaths, including among people who did not attend the rallies, according to a new working paper from Stanford University researchers.
While Joe Biden has tailored his presidential campaign toward smaller, more socially distanced events during the pandemic, President Donald Trump has made a selling point of his packed rallies, where mask use is often scarce. The Stanford paper studied 18 Trump rallies this year, and linked them to a significant spike in COVID-19 cases—approximately 30,000—in surrounding counties.
The paper, from the school’s economics department, has not been peer reviewed, leading epidemiologists to raise some caveats about its findings. However, one such infectious disease expert told The Daily Beast that the study’s broader findings do suggest a post-Trump COVID bump, and further illustrate the effect of wearing a mask.
The study’s authors wrote that their findings affirmed previous warnings about large gatherings.
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“Our analysis strongly supports the warnings and recommendations of public health officials concerning the risk of COVID-19 transmission at large group gatherings, particularly when the degree of compliance with guidelines concerning the use of masks and social distancing is low,” they wrote. “The communities in which Trump rallies took place paid a high price in terms of disease and death.”
Dr. Jeffrey Klausner, an infectious diseases expert at UCLA who was not involved with the study, said it “does indeed raise the possibility that these outdoor rallies increased the incidence of COVID in counties where they occurred.”
Klausner raised several caveats, noting that the study’s authors had not individually counted deaths, but looked at post-rally COVID surges, applied COVID death rates in the affected counties and predicted the number of deaths that had resulted from the rallies. The method meant researchers could not control for certain demographic factors, like the age of the affected people, he said. (Old age appears to be a significant factor in COVID death rates.)
Other epidemiologists, like Michael Mina of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, also urged caution in extrapolating too much from the study.
“There are better ways to look at this data through actual infectious disease epidemic lenses,” Mina told Politico. “It offers a data point, but nothing I would want to draw any strong conclusions from. It is also so overtly political that it makes it hard to distinguish if there were decisions made out of perhaps unrecognized bias.”
Klausner and another epidemiologist who spoke to Politico said the study’s methods seemed generally sound, if a little speculative.
Fifteen of the 18 Trump rallies (held from June to September across multiple states) were held outside. COVID-19 research has suggested outdoor events with good ventilation are safer than indoor events with poor air circulation. Despite that, the researchers recorded a notable uptick in COVID-19 cases in surrounding areas after the rallies. Meanwhile, similar studies on outdoor Black Lives Matter rallies this summer did not find a notable outbreak among protest participants.
The difference might have been mask use, Klausner noted.
Although Black Lives Matter rallies “had crowding, a lot of people yelling, and other attributes we associate with COVID, you had a much higher percentage of mask-wearing,” compared to Trump rallies where fewer people were photographed in protective gear, he noted.
“Lack of masks may have been the key difference between Black Lives Matter rallies and Trump rallies,” Klausner said.
deadgerbil · 26-30, M
I was told by a Trump supporter that masks and social distancing don't work. These people don't care how many people die in support of the cult
windinhishair · 70-79, M
@deadgerbil No they don't. Even Trump cultists who have lost close family members believe that they don't need masks or social distancing.
Jake966 · 56-60, M
People have a choice to go or not , to wear a mask or not , social distance or not , ect ....
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Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
Jake is okay with violence if it’s COVID. @windinhishair
Jake966 · 56-60, M
@Fukfacewillie if that’s a serious comment then you are stupid .😀 if it’s not serious then I’ll laugh with you
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
Viruses are so tiny what harm could they do?@Jake966
JeanAnna · F
There will be many more deaths, but Trump doesn't care. He only cares for himself. I'm hoping the virus returns to him again and takes him out of the picture.
Adaydreambeliever · 61-69, F
Hmm my only regrets are that a) these people will still be well enough to vote and b) they will infect innocent people as well .
windinhishair · 70-79, M
@Adaydreambeliever That is the travesty.
Oster1 · M
Puuuullllleeeeaaaaassssseeee, how in the world is this a true study from Stanford. No offense but how many 73 year old men could pull this off with a unique touch and vigor at each one. He will have crowds that no other candidate has had and many called on 24 hour notice. Biden’s turnout might fill a McDonald’s, if he really pulls them in.
Come on, man!
Come on, man!
Adaydreambeliever · 61-69, F
@Oster1
Have you ever thought, re bleating that it took someone an hour to respond, that they might be busy? That they might not be a loser, like some, who have nothing better to do than bleat like sheep on here?
PS - I probably won't be replying as I DO have better things to do and the big news is... you aren't the centre of the universe, aka you aren't important enough to reply to should you care to throw some insults my way too
It took you an hour to come up with that nonsense?
Oh, I can so tell that you are such a respectful person of other peoples' opinions.. Yes very... the minute you don't like what you hear out come the insults... Have you ever thought, re bleating that it took someone an hour to respond, that they might be busy? That they might not be a loser, like some, who have nothing better to do than bleat like sheep on here?
PS - I probably won't be replying as I DO have better things to do and the big news is... you aren't the centre of the universe, aka you aren't important enough to reply to should you care to throw some insults my way too
Oster1 · M
@Elevatorpitches I listened and respect your opinion. It’s obvious there are many issues to be dealt with. These problems certainly have not arisen in the last four years. Together, we all need to come to the table and work these and other issues out.😊
Oster1 · M
@Adaydreambeliever I was going by the conversations I had with the OP. I do respect others but when someone, like you, try’s to disparage another opinion, I will deal, with the same hand. There are others on the post that I was very respectful towards. I said that after the snarky tone of his comment before. I take no offense. Look at how you disparagingly called out Trump supporters.
Please, can’t you see the irony of your comment?
Please, can’t you see the irony of your comment?
Graylight · 51-55, F
It's amazing someone so confident in his success is campaigning so damn hard.
windinhishair · 70-79, M
@Graylight It is important to infect as many as possible while still president. Having so many people willing to literally die for him pleases his ego greatly.
independentone · M
If it's Trump supporters who die from covid, I really don't care.
independentone · M
@windinhishair True, sad but true.
Elevatorpitches · F
windinhishair · 70-79, M
@Elevatorpitches That works too. 😉
Elevatorpitches · F
OMG.
OMG.
OMG.
smiler2012 · 61-69
i suppose sad as it is these are the idiots own voters he is killing with his no wearing mask policy when you are struggling in the polls suppose trump is happy shooting himself in the foot @windinhishair
smiler2012 · 61-69
@windinhishair i do not know if you agree or not but the sense of loyalty can only stretch to a certain length where personal safety goes but these are so blinkered blind obedience they become close mind to personal safety for the orange moron
windinhishair · 70-79, M
@smiler2012 The sense of loyalty is way out of proportion. We'll see just how much with the coming Trump cult violence over the next few days.
smiler2012 · 61-69
@windinhishair sorry i should of said misguided human loyalty is fickle and the weak mind lets people be easily lead and persuaded













