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Am I wrong?

I've always believed that voting third party is a lot like not voting at all, which is pretty much a vote by default for the sitting president who's up for reelection. I was told today, though, that I'm wrong on that. I really want to support a certain third-party candidate, but I know she's not going to win. I feel like it's a wasted vote, unfortunately. Am I wrong?
If less people thought that way third parties would have a chance. Even if they don't win you're letting your voice be heard. It is still lost votes for the other two candidates. When people vote for them even though many don't really want them, they think they have all of that support. They think that's what the people want, is them and you're letting them believe that by voting for them.
@samueltyler2 Not arguing. It will be a big election year. At the end of it the people who vote for a third party candidate won't be sitting on the fence. They will have made a choice. Their choice is probably clear to them too.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@midnightrose yes, we are discussing, not arguing. I wouldn't want to argue with you. There really doesn't appear to be any real majorbthird party candidates this time. I just hope no one had bought into the propaganda that neither candidate is a good candidate and sits out the vote! This is really the only country in thenwotkd in which such a large percentage of the voting-eligible people don't vote!
@samueltyler2 My only issue is with people who push the idea that there are only two candidates to choose from in any election. Propaganda or not, people can decide neither the democrat nor the republican candidate is the person they want running the country. More people would vote if they felt their vote mattered. There are people out there who don't like either Biden or Trump who will still be voting, though.
Graylight · 51-55, F
It's a wasted vote, yes. At this level, when only one of two candidates can possibly win, voting a 3rd party candidate is the same as not showing up to vote at all. The time to support that campaign would've been at the local level, making the party legitimate and heard before positioning an unknown man or woman against giants.

We need more parties, to be sure. But they need to be wholly formed ideological parties. "Legalize weed," "save the planet," and "no government" are platforms, not political parties.
JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
Voting 3rd party for local elections is perfectly rational. It may even be the better choice.

But in the US, the traditional established parties have dominated the landscape for so long that it will take quite some time for a reasonably legitimate alternative party to emerge.

Voting 3rd party for President is merely a protest vote and effectively is a vote for the candidate you can least accept
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@JoeyFoxx so true!
Poppies · 61-69, F
If we had a ranked choice voting system, when we vote we would indicate who our first choice, second choice, third choice etc. preferences are. When the votes are tallied, if no candidate has a majority, then the candidate with the fewest votes is eliminated and everyone who voted for that person will then have their second choice preference come into play. The votes would be re-tallied, and if still no candidate has a majority, the candidate with the fewest votes would be eliminated. And on and on until someone has a majority. With a system like that people could vote for third party candidates and not feel that their votes are wasted or that they are spoiling the election.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Poppies that wouldn't really work for the presidential campaign. Don't forget, in the US we do not elect POTUS by popular vote! Doing what you suggest in every state would really be chaotic!
Poppies · 61-69, F
@samueltyler2 I forgot about not electing POTUS by popular vote. Another reform to tackle! But ranked choice is used in elections in some states.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Poppies my love, usually only in primaries.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
More people should challenge incumbents.
You may get steamrolled by the big party machines but at least if you're savvy you might start a movement for reform.
InkBot · 36-40, M
@Picklebobble2 That's a good point.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@InkBot In the UK anyone can stand for election provided they are over 18. Have no criminal record outstanding. Can get i think it's five people to officially 'nominate' them via official forms.
And come up with a £500 deposit which you lose if you don't draw 5% of the vote.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@InkBot You can sometimes achieve reform through one of the big parties.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
We have the same issues in the uk. It depends if you are in a state that could flip either way. If its not close, vote third party. If it is a competetive state then you have a tough decision.
RedBaron · M
You are wrong. Unless, of course, you're right.
InkBot · 36-40, M
@RedBaron Oh, I'll be damned.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
That largely depends on whether you are in a swing state or not.
@QuixoticSoul Which party are the ephebophiles? The Republicans?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom Libertarians.
@QuixoticSoul A Libertarian is a conservative who smokes weed.
Technically no...but if you want to keep a certain party out badly enough vote tactically
InkBot · 36-40, M
@Cutiepi23 It's just confusing for me. My guy is third-party. Biden isn't my man. However, voting third-party doesn't feel right. I'm not sure why exactly.
@InkBot I was in a similar position in my country to, so I get it. Lesser of two evils perhaps idk
RedBaron · M
@InkBot Because a third party candidate can only affect the outcome, not actually win the election.
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
It’s a wasted vote, often planted by the GOP to sway the numbers in their favor.
InkBot · 36-40, M
@BackyardShaman Do you think they do it to try to take votes away from Biden for the third-party person?
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
Yes definitely also with Senate@InkBot
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
It's a wasted vote that foolish people follow to feel like they are making a statement.
InkBot · 36-40, M
@MarkPaul Yes, and usually they are tired of the two-party system that we have. I agree with you, though.
Voting third party only makes sense with instant runoff multivoting.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@midnightrose I hope that they have not been duped into thinking that. If they really have checked out the information, and it isn't easy to verify everything, and are still unsure who to vote for, then they need to attend more meetings with representatives of the candidates and carefully reconsider.

 
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